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		<title>By: Dr. James Willingham</title>
		<link>http://sbcvoices.com/by-grace-through-faith/#comment-6817</link>
		<dc:creator>Dr. James Willingham</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Oct 2009 15:18:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Bible is like a letter from a loved one, highly meaningful to say the least.  In this case, however, the book gives us the words of God Himself, and they speak to us just as God spoke to people across the centuries and the milleniums.  Consider how Jesus said to the Sadducees, &quot;Have you not read that which was spoke to you by God saying.&quot;  He then proceeded to quote the words from the burning bush spoken to Moses.  If the words spoken some 1400-1600 years before our Lord&#039;s time from a  burning bush were also spoken to the very people of His day they are also spoke to us two thousand years later.
.-= Dr. James Willingham´s last blog ..&lt;a href=&quot;http://thirdgreatawakeningcom.blogspot.com/2009/02/climax-of-reformation.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;The Climax of the Reformation&lt;/a&gt; =-.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Bible is like a letter from a loved one, highly meaningful to say the least.  In this case, however, the book gives us the words of God Himself, and they speak to us just as God spoke to people across the centuries and the milleniums.  Consider how Jesus said to the Sadducees, &#8220;Have you not read that which was spoke to you by God saying.&#8221;  He then proceeded to quote the words from the burning bush spoken to Moses.  If the words spoken some 1400-1600 years before our Lord&#8217;s time from a  burning bush were also spoken to the very people of His day they are also spoke to us two thousand years later.<br />
.-= Dr. James Willingham´s last blog ..<a href="http://thirdgreatawakeningcom.blogspot.com/2009/02/climax-of-reformation.html" rel="nofollow">The Climax of the Reformation</a> =-.</p>
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		<title>By: selahV</title>
		<link>http://sbcvoices.com/by-grace-through-faith/#comment-3454</link>
		<dc:creator>selahV</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Jun 2009 22:48:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Mike.  That&#039;s basically why I added the Amplified because it made the distinction between &quot;word&quot; to &quot;Word&quot;.   I thought it probably meant Jesus Christ.  Nice discussion, though.  selahV

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Mike.  That&#8217;s basically why I added the Amplified because it made the distinction between &#8220;word&#8221; to &#8220;Word&#8221;.   I thought it probably meant Jesus Christ.  Nice discussion, though.  selahV</p>
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		<title>By: mike</title>
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		<dc:creator>mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Jun 2009 22:41:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>selahV,

nice verse, but i&#039;m afraid the most logical antecedent for logos/word in that passage might not be the bible. it seems to be the living logos/word, i.e. Jesus Christ, seeing as how the very next verse adds, &quot;and there is no creature hidden from His sight, but all things are open and laid bare to the eyes of Him with whom we have to do (NASB).&quot;

i&#039;ll add that i&#039;m not a big fan of the amplified version - it&#039;s guilty of the overload fallacy. most words have multiple meanings, and context determines meaning at a given time. trying to cram all meanings on every use of a word is called the overload fallacy, and the amplified version tries does this by putting every meaning of a word in parentheses.

anyway, i better post this before the coffee keeps me going and i write a book full of tangents. thanks for another response

mike

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>selahV,</p>
<p>nice verse, but i&#8217;m afraid the most logical antecedent for logos/word in that passage might not be the bible. it seems to be the living logos/word, i.e. Jesus Christ, seeing as how the very next verse adds, &#8220;and there is no creature hidden from His sight, but all things are open and laid bare to the eyes of Him with whom we have to do (NASB).&#8221;</p>
<p>i&#8217;ll add that i&#8217;m not a big fan of the amplified version &#8211; it&#8217;s guilty of the overload fallacy. most words have multiple meanings, and context determines meaning at a given time. trying to cram all meanings on every use of a word is called the overload fallacy, and the amplified version tries does this by putting every meaning of a word in parentheses.</p>
<p>anyway, i better post this before the coffee keeps me going and i write a book full of tangents. thanks for another response</p>
<p>mike</p>
<p><abbr><em><abbr><em>mikes last blog post..<a href="http://foxswanderings.blogspot.com/2009/06/reading-obadiah-jonah-together.html" rel="nofollow">reading obadiah &amp; jonah together</a></em></abbr></em></abbr></p>
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		<title>By: selahV</title>
		<link>http://sbcvoices.com/by-grace-through-faith/#comment-3450</link>
		<dc:creator>selahV</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Jun 2009 21:20:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Mike, I found this other passage of scripture that actually speaks a bit clearer for itself than I spoke for it:
&quot;For the word of God is living and active, sharper than any two-edged sword, piercing to the division of soul and of spirit, of joints and of marrow, and discerning the thoughts and intentions of the heart.&quot; (Heb. 4:12).
The Amplified, translates that as:
&quot;For the Word that God speaks is alive and full of power [making it active, operative, energizing and effective]; it is sharper than any two-edged sword, penetrating to the dividing line of the breath of life (soul) and [the immortal] spirit, and of joints and marrow [of the deepest of our nature], exposing and sifting and anaylizing and judging the very thoughts and purposes of the heart.&quot;  Hebrews 4:12

Just thought I&#039;d share that.  selahV

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Mike, I found this other passage of scripture that actually speaks a bit clearer for itself than I spoke for it:<br />
&#8220;For the word of God is living and active, sharper than any two-edged sword, piercing to the division of soul and of spirit, of joints and of marrow, and discerning the thoughts and intentions of the heart.&#8221; (Heb. 4:12).<br />
The Amplified, translates that as:<br />
&#8220;For the Word that God speaks is alive and full of power [making it active, operative, energizing and effective]; it is sharper than any two-edged sword, penetrating to the dividing line of the breath of life (soul) and [the immortal] spirit, and of joints and marrow [of the deepest of our nature], exposing and sifting and anaylizing and judging the very thoughts and purposes of the heart.&#8221;  Hebrews 4:12</p>
<p>Just thought I&#8217;d share that.  selahV</p>
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		<title>By: Debbie Kaufman</title>
		<link>http://sbcvoices.com/by-grace-through-faith/#comment-3343</link>
		<dc:creator>Debbie Kaufman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 May 2009 22:28:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I should add this, in my opinion the Bible is clear in that having love for others, love for God, the Trinity is the sign of a true born again Christian. The fact that Christ said this was the most important Commandment points me in that direction. 1 Corinthians along with other passages point me in that direction. 

We can do all the things the Bible say on prayer and other things, but without love they mean nothing according to chapter 13.

&lt;abbr&gt;&lt;em&gt;&lt;abbr&gt;&lt;em&gt;Debbie Kaufmans last blog post..&lt;a href=&quot;http://debbiekaufman.wordpress.com/2009/05/29/john-macarthurs-response-to-christians-high-divorce-rate-according-to-a-poll-his-response-may-surprise-you/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;John MacArthur’s Response To Christians High Divorce Rate According To A Poll, His Response May Surprise You&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/abbr&gt;&lt;/abbr&gt;&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I should add this, in my opinion the Bible is clear in that having love for others, love for God, the Trinity is the sign of a true born again Christian. The fact that Christ said this was the most important Commandment points me in that direction. 1 Corinthians along with other passages point me in that direction. </p>
<p>We can do all the things the Bible say on prayer and other things, but without love they mean nothing according to chapter 13.</p>
<p><abbr><em><abbr><em>Debbie Kaufmans last blog post..<a href="http://debbiekaufman.wordpress.com/2009/05/29/john-macarthurs-response-to-christians-high-divorce-rate-according-to-a-poll-his-response-may-surprise-you/" rel="nofollow">John MacArthur’s Response To Christians High Divorce Rate According To A Poll, His Response May Surprise You</a></em></abbr></em></abbr></p>
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		<title>By: Debbie Kaufman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Debbie Kaufman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 May 2009 22:23:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with what Barry has brought out in the Matthew passage he gave.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with what Barry has brought out in the Matthew passage he gave.</p>
<p><abbr><em><abbr><em>Debbie Kaufmans last blog post..<a href="http://debbiekaufman.wordpress.com/2009/05/29/john-macarthurs-response-to-christians-high-divorce-rate-according-to-a-poll-his-response-may-surprise-you/" rel="nofollow">John MacArthur’s Response To Christians High Divorce Rate According To A Poll, His Response May Surprise You</a></em></abbr></em></abbr></p>
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		<title>By: selahV</title>
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		<dc:creator>selahV</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 May 2009 21:37:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Barry, &quot;For every look at self, take ten looks at Christ.&quot;  What a wonderful quote!    selahV

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Barry, &#8220;For every look at self, take ten looks at Christ.&#8221;  What a wonderful quote!    selahV</p>
<p><abbr><em><abbr><em>selahVs last blog post..<a href="http://selahvtoday.typepad.com/selahv/2009/05/can-gods-word-live.html" rel="nofollow">CAN GOD&#8217;S WORD LIVE?</a></em></abbr></em></abbr></p>
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		<title>By: Barry Wallace</title>
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		<dc:creator>Barry Wallace</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 May 2009 19:54:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>selahV, as alwyas I appreciate your thoughts and even more than that, your heart.  It seems to me that passages like the one I quoted are designed to make us do two things--take a good hard look at our own hearts, and then look &lt;i&gt;away&lt;/i&gt; from ourselves to Jesus.  I like what Robert Murray M&#039;Cheyne once said:  &quot;For every look at self, take ten looks at Christ.&quot;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>selahV, as alwyas I appreciate your thoughts and even more than that, your heart.  It seems to me that passages like the one I quoted are designed to make us do two things&#8211;take a good hard look at our own hearts, and then look <i>away</i> from ourselves to Jesus.  I like what Robert Murray M&#8217;Cheyne once said:  &#8220;For every look at self, take ten looks at Christ.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: selahV</title>
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		<dc:creator>selahV</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 May 2009 18:43:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mike, I didn&#039;t really think you thought I was turning the Bible in to a diety.  :)   Seriously.  But sometimes when a question comes up like that, others who read blogs may think the same thing and never ask the question.  That&#039;s why I tried to explain it better.  Quite frequently, Christianese can get in the way of speaking simply--even when one thinks they are speaking simply.  Appreciate you coming back.  selahV

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mike, I didn&#8217;t really think you thought I was turning the Bible in to a diety.  <img src='http://sbcvoices.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />    Seriously.  But sometimes when a question comes up like that, others who read blogs may think the same thing and never ask the question.  That&#8217;s why I tried to explain it better.  Quite frequently, Christianese can get in the way of speaking simply&#8211;even when one thinks they are speaking simply.  Appreciate you coming back.  selahV</p>
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		<title>By: mike</title>
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		<dc:creator>mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 May 2009 18:24:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>selahV,

thanks for the response. i should have been more clear that i didn&#039;t think YOU were turning the bible into a god or anything,  just pointing out language &quot;stuff.&quot; i tend to agree with your points whole-heartedly.  you said in your response, &quot;the Holy Spirit takes the words and uses them to guide us, and quicken us, does He not?&quot; i&#039;ll give that a hearty amen. that was my purpose in commenting all along.  again, thanks for the response.  - mike

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>selahV,</p>
<p>thanks for the response. i should have been more clear that i didn&#8217;t think YOU were turning the bible into a god or anything,  just pointing out language &#8220;stuff.&#8221; i tend to agree with your points whole-heartedly.  you said in your response, &#8220;the Holy Spirit takes the words and uses them to guide us, and quicken us, does He not?&#8221; i&#8217;ll give that a hearty amen. that was my purpose in commenting all along.  again, thanks for the response.  &#8211; mike</p>
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