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		<title>By: Rick Patrick</title>
		<link>http://sbcvoices.com/cooperative-program-and-missions/#comment-8150</link>
		<dc:creator>Rick Patrick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Mar 2010 21:13:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Consider, for a moment, your own church budget.  Probably 50% goes to salaries, 15% through missions causes, 15% or so to your various ministries (youth, music, etc.) and 20% or so for your building maintenance, utilities, copiers and other infrastructure.  Now, if someone looked at that chart and said, &quot;Only 50% of the offering plate money is actually getting to the ministers,&quot; they would be right.  But that&#039;s okay.  It is naive to think that a church or a denomination can or should eliminate the egregious so-called bureaucracy that seemingly wastes resources.  We may not like it, but we do have to spend God&#039;s money on light bulbs and restroom supplies for our churches.  All of the money can&#039;t go either to the exciting places or to the really spiritual places.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Consider, for a moment, your own church budget.  Probably 50% goes to salaries, 15% through missions causes, 15% or so to your various ministries (youth, music, etc.) and 20% or so for your building maintenance, utilities, copiers and other infrastructure.  Now, if someone looked at that chart and said, &#8220;Only 50% of the offering plate money is actually getting to the ministers,&#8221; they would be right.  But that&#8217;s okay.  It is naive to think that a church or a denomination can or should eliminate the egregious so-called bureaucracy that seemingly wastes resources.  We may not like it, but we do have to spend God&#8217;s money on light bulbs and restroom supplies for our churches.  All of the money can&#8217;t go either to the exciting places or to the really spiritual places.</p>
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		<title>By: GL</title>
		<link>http://sbcvoices.com/cooperative-program-and-missions/#comment-8145</link>
		<dc:creator>GL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Mar 2010 18:57:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Missional work is not complicated in its seed form.  However, the world is complicated and diverse.  Spending money for literature, education, sending, supporting and many other facets are all missions. It takes all of them to make it possible to do the impossible when done alone. Working together we accomplish much more that as being independent.  We should support the CP and in doing so rethink it and refine it and make it better and change when change is required and I think the GCR recommended changes is necessary.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Missional work is not complicated in its seed form.  However, the world is complicated and diverse.  Spending money for literature, education, sending, supporting and many other facets are all missions. It takes all of them to make it possible to do the impossible when done alone. Working together we accomplish much more that as being independent.  We should support the CP and in doing so rethink it and refine it and make it better and change when change is required and I think the GCR recommended changes is necessary.</p>
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		<title>By: Alex</title>
		<link>http://sbcvoices.com/cooperative-program-and-missions/#comment-1198</link>
		<dc:creator>Alex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Jan 2009 18:11:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In Mississippi - deep in the Bible belt - only 35% of cooperative program dollars given to the state convention get sent on to the SBC.  The average state convention employee&#039;s salary (factoring in everyone, from receptionist on up to executive director) is almost $80,000.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In Mississippi &#8211; deep in the Bible belt &#8211; only 35% of cooperative program dollars given to the state convention get sent on to the SBC.  The average state convention employee&#8217;s salary (factoring in everyone, from receptionist on up to executive director) is almost $80,000.</p>
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		<title>By: Todd Benkert</title>
		<link>http://sbcvoices.com/cooperative-program-and-missions/#comment-1139</link>
		<dc:creator>Todd Benkert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Jan 2009 21:20:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tony, 

I believe the 70% refers to the &lt;i&gt;salaries&lt;/i&gt; of missionaries.
&quot;Ministry expenses&quot; of the missionary are part of  the 30%.

-- Todd

&lt;abbr&gt;&lt;em&gt;&lt;abbr&gt;&lt;em&gt;Todd Benkerts last blog post..&lt;a href=&quot;http://bemywitnesses.blogspot.com/2008/10/highlights-from-our-state-convention.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Highlights from our State Convention&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/abbr&gt;&lt;/abbr&gt;&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tony, </p>
<p>I believe the 70% refers to the <i>salaries</i> of missionaries.<br />
&#8220;Ministry expenses&#8221; of the missionary are part of  the 30%.</p>
<p>&#8211; Todd</p>
<p><abbr><em><abbr><em>Todd Benkerts last blog post..<a href="http://bemywitnesses.blogspot.com/2008/10/highlights-from-our-state-convention.html" rel="nofollow">Highlights from our State Convention</a></em></abbr></em></abbr></p>
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		<title>By: Greg Alford</title>
		<link>http://sbcvoices.com/cooperative-program-and-missions/#comment-1138</link>
		<dc:creator>Greg Alford</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Jan 2009 20:27:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tony,

So we are now down to 12 cent out of every dollar given to the CP actually making it to support missionaries serving overseas...

&lt;abbr&gt;&lt;em&gt;&lt;abbr&gt;&lt;em&gt;Greg Alfords last blog post..&lt;a href=&quot;http://gritsgrace.blogspot.com/2009/01/bondage-and-liberation-of-will.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;The Bondage and Liberation of the Will&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/abbr&gt;&lt;/abbr&gt;&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tony,</p>
<p>So we are now down to 12 cent out of every dollar given to the CP actually making it to support missionaries serving overseas&#8230;</p>
<p><abbr><em><abbr><em>Greg Alfords last blog post..<a href="http://gritsgrace.blogspot.com/2009/01/bondage-and-liberation-of-will.html" rel="nofollow">The Bondage and Liberation of the Will</a></em></abbr></em></abbr></p>
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		<title>By: Tony Kummer</title>
		<link>http://sbcvoices.com/cooperative-program-and-missions/#comment-1136</link>
		<dc:creator>Tony Kummer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Jan 2009 17:29:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Barry: 

Here are bits of information . . .

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.imb.org/main/give/page.asp?StoryID=7482&amp;LanguageID=1709&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;First, from the IMB website:&lt;/a&gt;

&lt;blockquote&gt;
Roughly 70 percent of the IMB’s $300 million budget supports more than 5,300 Southern Baptist missionaries serving overseas. (The remaining &lt;strong&gt;30 percent provides&lt;/strong&gt; for missionaries’ ministry expenses, stateside administration, promotion and other costs.)&lt;/blockquote&gt;


&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.bpnews.net/BPnews.asp?ID=29323&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;
And this BP article:&lt;/a&gt;


&lt;blockquote&gt;The percentage of the budget used for stateside administration and promotion dropped nearly 1 percent, from 15.44 to 14.56 percent.&lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Barry: </p>
<p>Here are bits of information . . .</p>
<p><a href="http://www.imb.org/main/give/page.asp?StoryID=7482&#038;LanguageID=1709" rel="nofollow">First, from the IMB website:</a></p>
<blockquote><p>
Roughly 70 percent of the IMB’s $300 million budget supports more than 5,300 Southern Baptist missionaries serving overseas. (The remaining <strong>30 percent provides</strong> for missionaries’ ministry expenses, stateside administration, promotion and other costs.)</p></blockquote>
<p><a href="http://www.bpnews.net/BPnews.asp?ID=29323" rel="nofollow"><br />
And this BP article:</a></p>
<blockquote><p>The percentage of the budget used for stateside administration and promotion dropped nearly 1 percent, from 15.44 to 14.56 percent.</p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: Barry Wallace</title>
		<link>http://sbcvoices.com/cooperative-program-and-missions/#comment-1132</link>
		<dc:creator>Barry Wallace</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Jan 2009 16:00:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think Greg raises some good questions, which need to be addressed in a separate post:

&lt;i&gt;How much is spent on flying board members and their families all over the country to attend meetings? How much is spent on Administration cost?&lt;/i&gt;

Perhaps the problem is more complex (and deeper) than a simple redistribution of funds would correct.  I&#039;m afraid there&#039;s a tremendous amount of materialism and waste that also needs to be addressed.

If we all (from CP employees to people like me sitting in the pews) followed John Piper&#039;s suggestion that we adopt a war-time mentality and lifestyle, a &lt;i&gt;lot&lt;/i&gt; more money would instantly be available for missions.

&lt;abbr&gt;&lt;em&gt;&lt;abbr&gt;&lt;em&gt;Barry Wallaces last blog post..&lt;a href=&quot;http://barrywallace.wordpress.com/2009/01/07/2008-blog-highlights-and-a-lowlight/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;2008 Blog Highlights (and a lowlight)&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/abbr&gt;&lt;/abbr&gt;&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think Greg raises some good questions, which need to be addressed in a separate post:</p>
<p><i>How much is spent on flying board members and their families all over the country to attend meetings? How much is spent on Administration cost?</i></p>
<p>Perhaps the problem is more complex (and deeper) than a simple redistribution of funds would correct.  I&#8217;m afraid there&#8217;s a tremendous amount of materialism and waste that also needs to be addressed.</p>
<p>If we all (from CP employees to people like me sitting in the pews) followed John Piper&#8217;s suggestion that we adopt a war-time mentality and lifestyle, a <i>lot</i> more money would instantly be available for missions.</p>
<p><abbr><em><abbr><em>Barry Wallaces last blog post..<a href="http://barrywallace.wordpress.com/2009/01/07/2008-blog-highlights-and-a-lowlight/" rel="nofollow">2008 Blog Highlights (and a lowlight)</a></em></abbr></em></abbr></p>
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		<title>By: Todd Benkert</title>
		<link>http://sbcvoices.com/cooperative-program-and-missions/#comment-1128</link>
		<dc:creator>Todd Benkert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Jan 2009 01:39:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tony,

Me too. As a missiologist, I tend to think in terms of crossing cultural and/or geographic boundaries. 

However, there are a number of factors that muddy up the waters when trying to define missions. Here are just a few:

1. The  colloquial practice in many evangelical circles of calling every Christian a &quot;missionary&quot; (e.g. you are a missionary to your workplace, neighborhood, family etc. -- see links at the end of my comment). Thus, any evangelistic activity may be considered a form of &quot;missions.&quot; 

2. The close identification in recent times between missions and church planting. &lt;i&gt;Any&lt;/i&gt; church planting, then, whether at home or abroad, is often considered &quot;missions.&quot;

3. A shift toward a &quot;people group&quot; model. This shift, by and large, is a good one because it recognizes that people are culturally distinct and different approaches should be used in different cultures. Because of the ethnic diversity in our own country, work with non-Anglo groups is often considered &quot;missions.&quot;

4. The globalization of missions efforts. No longer do Western missionaries dominate the scene. Christians from Africa, Asia, and South America are sending missionaries to unreached people in droves. Often you hear that other countries are sending missionaries &lt;i&gt;here&lt;/i&gt;.  

These are just a few of the factors, in my opinion, that make it difficult to pin down. I&#039;m afraid that the word is slowly outliving its usefulness. For many Baptists, &quot;missions&quot;, at least as its used in the Cooperative Program sense, is any activity that fulfills the Great Commission.

Blessings,
Todd
_____
Consider Gordon Olsen&#039;s comments: http://www.thetravelingteam.org/?q=node/159

or my own here: http://bemywitnesses.blogspot.com/2007/08/should-everyone-be-missionary.html

&lt;abbr&gt;&lt;em&gt;&lt;abbr&gt;&lt;em&gt;Todd Benkerts last blog post..&lt;a href=&quot;http://bemywitnesses.blogspot.com/2008/10/highlights-from-our-state-convention.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Highlights from our State Convention&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/abbr&gt;&lt;/abbr&gt;&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tony,</p>
<p>Me too. As a missiologist, I tend to think in terms of crossing cultural and/or geographic boundaries. </p>
<p>However, there are a number of factors that muddy up the waters when trying to define missions. Here are just a few:</p>
<p>1. The  colloquial practice in many evangelical circles of calling every Christian a &#8220;missionary&#8221; (e.g. you are a missionary to your workplace, neighborhood, family etc. &#8212; see links at the end of my comment). Thus, any evangelistic activity may be considered a form of &#8220;missions.&#8221; </p>
<p>2. The close identification in recent times between missions and church planting. <i>Any</i> church planting, then, whether at home or abroad, is often considered &#8220;missions.&#8221;</p>
<p>3. A shift toward a &#8220;people group&#8221; model. This shift, by and large, is a good one because it recognizes that people are culturally distinct and different approaches should be used in different cultures. Because of the ethnic diversity in our own country, work with non-Anglo groups is often considered &#8220;missions.&#8221;</p>
<p>4. The globalization of missions efforts. No longer do Western missionaries dominate the scene. Christians from Africa, Asia, and South America are sending missionaries to unreached people in droves. Often you hear that other countries are sending missionaries <i>here</i>.  </p>
<p>These are just a few of the factors, in my opinion, that make it difficult to pin down. I&#8217;m afraid that the word is slowly outliving its usefulness. For many Baptists, &#8220;missions&#8221;, at least as its used in the Cooperative Program sense, is any activity that fulfills the Great Commission.</p>
<p>Blessings,<br />
Todd<br />
_____<br />
Consider Gordon Olsen&#8217;s comments: <a href="http://www.thetravelingteam.org/?q=node/159" rel="nofollow">http://www.thetravelingteam.org/?q=node/159</a></p>
<p>or my own here: <a href="http://bemywitnesses.blogspot.com/2007/08/should-everyone-be-missionary.html" rel="nofollow">http://bemywitnesses.blogspot.com/2007/08/should-everyone-be-missionary.html</a></p>
<p><abbr><em><abbr><em>Todd Benkerts last blog post..<a href="http://bemywitnesses.blogspot.com/2008/10/highlights-from-our-state-convention.html" rel="nofollow">Highlights from our State Convention</a></em></abbr></em></abbr></p>
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		<title>By: Tony Kummer</title>
		<link>http://sbcvoices.com/cooperative-program-and-missions/#comment-1127</link>
		<dc:creator>Tony Kummer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Jan 2009 00:28:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Todd:  Thanks for stopping by, do you know of any definition of missions that is broad enough to accommodate all the SBC work that is funded by the CP?

I always think cross-cultural and to other people groups as missions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Todd:  Thanks for stopping by, do you know of any definition of missions that is broad enough to accommodate all the SBC work that is funded by the CP?</p>
<p>I always think cross-cultural and to other people groups as missions.</p>
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		<title>By: Todd Benkert</title>
		<link>http://sbcvoices.com/cooperative-program-and-missions/#comment-1125</link>
		<dc:creator>Todd Benkert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Jan 2009 22:45:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cameron, If you wanted a certain percentage of your money to go directly to foreign missions, all you would have to do is send the money directly to the Lottie Moon offering.  This would bypass both the state convention &lt;i&gt;and&lt;/i&gt; the executive committee.

Cole, I would agree that for home missionaries, we need to fund the guys on the field much better. 

-- Todd

&lt;abbr&gt;&lt;em&gt;&lt;abbr&gt;&lt;em&gt;Todd Benkerts last blog post..&lt;a href=&quot;http://bemywitnesses.blogspot.com/2008/10/highlights-from-our-state-convention.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Highlights from our State Convention&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/abbr&gt;&lt;/abbr&gt;&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cameron, If you wanted a certain percentage of your money to go directly to foreign missions, all you would have to do is send the money directly to the Lottie Moon offering.  This would bypass both the state convention <i>and</i> the executive committee.</p>
<p>Cole, I would agree that for home missionaries, we need to fund the guys on the field much better. </p>
<p>&#8211; Todd</p>
<p><abbr><em><abbr><em>Todd Benkerts last blog post..<a href="http://bemywitnesses.blogspot.com/2008/10/highlights-from-our-state-convention.html" rel="nofollow">Highlights from our State Convention</a></em></abbr></em></abbr></p>
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