Comments on: Has Morris Chapman Clarified Anything?

By: Dr. James Willingham

Dr. James Willingham — Tue, 11 Aug 2009 02:38:38 +0000

Total Depravity involves Total inability. Jesus said, “NO MAN CAN COME TO ME,” Jn.6;44, 65. Sandy Creek’s 1816 Confession was sue that mean man was unable by his own free will or ability to recover himself from the state into which he had fallen and that a sovereign work of God was required to bring him out of that falle state. In fact, total inability is an invitation to be saved; it is an evangelistic truth, one that a person can plead (one of ten things a lost person can do as I heard one Sovereign Grace preacher preach about 40 yrs. ago). If you look at the man with the demon possessed son, you will find him pleading that very reality, “Lord, Help my unbelief (help me overcome it).” Jesus is very plain, He is ASKING MAN TO DO THE IMPOSSIBLE (cf, the rich young ruler).
That impossibility is an invitation to cry for mercy, or grace, for help. HERE IS THE SECRET OF THE THIRD GREAT AWAKENING. Also you all ought to leave poor brother Chapman alone. God will open his eyes, if and when He so desires…since He has seen to it that he can read the truth as well as hear it. Let us just take Bro. Chapman to the throne and ask God to help him over come his inability to believe God is sovereign in salvation. THE TSUNAMI WAVE OF THE THIRD AWAKENING MIGHT WELL BE ARCHING OVER US, READY TO COME UPON US WITH A JOY UNIMAGINABLE. AFTER ALL, SPURGEON DID DEFINE HIS LIMITED ATONEMENT VIEW OF THE NUMBER FOR WHICH CHRIST DIED AS “A NUMBER WHICH NO MAN CAN NUMBER.” That ought to be enough to satisfy every body. Personally I pray for one whole generation of every last soul on earth to be savingly converted and then for a 1000 more generationafter that in order to fulfill the promises to Abraham of a spiritual progeny that like the stars of heaven and the sand by the seashore cannot be numbered. In fact, I believe there will be more saved in Heaven than lost in Hell. Sadly, I read in research where one brother was burnt at the stake for believing that could be possible. Study the First nd Second Great Awakenings and the origins of Missions for te grounds for such praying, esp. Edwards Humble Attempt which inspired Carey, et al and etc.
.-= Dr. James Willingham´s last blog ..The Climax of the Reformation =-.

By: Mark Lamprecht

Mark Lamprecht — Fri, 07 Aug 2009 14:32:55 +0000

Matt, now that I know this….I will be careful with what you say!
.-= Mark Lamprecht´s last blog ..How To Meditate On Scripture =-.

By: Matt Svoboda

Matt Svoboda — Thu, 06 Aug 2009 18:16:57 +0000

I would of… Most of you dont know this, but I wrote a blog linking to his on the issue of SWBTS firing its Calvinists, but I deleted when I realized there was no “proof” and that in the comment section he refused to give proof.

After I deleted it he commented on my blog and asked why I had taken it down. He then asked if someone had “contacted me.”

While Dave and I disagree on the IMB policies, I am with Dave in that I would of stood by Wade if proof would of been given… The fact that I blogged about it, linking to him, should “prove” that.
.-= Matt Svoboda´s last blog ..Stop Giving the People What They Want =-.

By: Dave Miller

Dave Miller — Thu, 06 Aug 2009 15:16:24 +0000

And, Debbie, just to clarify. I got into blogging to support Wade in his battle with the leadership of the IMB. Look at the old blogs. I’m not part of the original cadre, but I came to the dance pretty early.

I have not changed my beliefs about what the IMB did or their policies. I consider them heinous.

I did find my view of Wade’s causes changing over time.

Had Wade provided proof of the conspiracy to fire Calvinists, there would have been many of us who would have jumped on that cause, including, I’m sure, most of the contributors to this site.

He gave us his opinions, without proof. And we are left there.
.-= Dave Miller´s last blog ..Chapman, Akin Et Al: A Pleasing Dissension in the SBC =-.

By: Dave Miller

Dave Miller — Thu, 06 Aug 2009 15:07:41 +0000

I will make one more stab at this Debbie. You say the proof is in the blogs. could you at least highlight that proof. I read the blogs. The only proof I saw offered is Wade’s word, which I’m sure is proof enough for you. It does not convince all of us.

I think I read every word of Wade’s post of “CalvinPattersongate” and he stated he had a source at SWBTS. A SWBTS prof (a 5-pointer) told him there was no such movement and called on Wade to repent.

I think, Debbie, that there is a big difference. To you, Wade’s word is proof. To many of us, Wade’s word is not enough proof. We need evidence to substantiate the charges – evidence Wade refused to give.

My theory is that Wade was fed false information – intentionally or not – and published that. Similar to what happened to Bart with the BGCT thing. Difference is, Bart admitted it and apologized for publishing false information.
.-= Dave Miller´s last blog ..Chapman, Akin Et Al: A Pleasing Dissension in the SBC =-.

By: Joe Blackmon

Joe Blackmon — Thu, 06 Aug 2009 14:02:02 +0000

Oh, give me a break with your constant belly-aching about the evils of the Conservative Resurrgence. While there are people from the CR that have done things that I don’t agree with, Christians recognize that the CR reversed the heavy leftward shift the SBC was undergoing. If it had not been for that great move of God the SBC would probably look little different than the PCUSA–women preachers, acceptance of homosexuality, and support of a progressive, social gospel. In other words, it would be a convention that mainstreamers would not have left and the mainstreamers that have hung on would not be belly aching about.

I am afraid that you’re right about your “young leaders” comment, however. I’m worried that there are some folks who don’t have the backbone to stand up for what the Bible says and continue to stand against homosexuality and abortion publically. I hope I’m wrong on that.
.-= Joe Blackmon´s last blog ..Preaching in the Old Testament =-.

By: Joe Blackmon

Joe Blackmon — Thu, 06 Aug 2009 13:54:01 +0000

Dave et al: I could answer your questions er accusations very easily. I could give you the proof, the proof is in every post written. That is a bald faced LIE. Not ONCE did Wade ever identify his source or offer any REAL proof. His "proof" was that no Calvinists were fired. Well, that's like me saying Barack Hussein Obama is going to deliver a press conference today in a clown suit. Now if he changes his mind and doesn't do it, that proves I was right. Face it, Debs. You accused someone of lying because they wouldn't offer proof of something that was said to them. Then when someone pointed out Wade does the EXACT SAME THING you backpedal because you know you can't defend it. You should be ashamed of yourself and apologize to Sally. .-= Joe Blackmon´s last blog ..Preaching in the Old Testament =-.

By: Debbie Kaufman

Debbie Kaufman — Thu, 06 Aug 2009 04:43:34 +0000

I also want to point out one other thing. I never called in favors of any kind for any information and Wade never gave me any. He is an honest honorable man, and I am honest in my dealing with information. I can't say that for any of you here. I could have written a lot more that out of a request from certain ones not to say anything, I didn't. I sat on it. I let it pass. My own blog could have been much more scathing than it was. There was more going on than you know. But I do. I know and I have the proof to back it up. But I told no one. I just prayed. Now here we are today. History was made at the Convention and I just hope that it doesn't come down to power and control because my passions are in line with many of the young leaders who want to get rid of the politics and focus on Christ. Because that is where the SBC veered off and we almost paid a heavy price. I don't want history to repeat itself in the other direction of just changing power. .-= Debbie Kaufman´s last blog ..Doctrines Of Grace =-.

By: Debbie Kaufman

Debbie Kaufman — Thu, 06 Aug 2009 04:35:32 +0000

Dave et al: I could answer your questions er accusations very easily. I could give you the proof, the proof is in every post written. The proof should be obvious if you would get beyond your own prejudices and blindness concerning Wade.

But I want you to listen and listen good because this is the last time I will point this out. None of this CR stuff would be happening if it weren’t for Wade bringing a lot of things to light. None of you were blogging three or four or five years ago when Wade was the only one with the insight and knowledge to bring a lot of the problems we are dealing with to light. I also did a lot of research and pointed out many things that we are now finally dealing with through the CR today. I say all of this in order to point out that you have no clue what you are talking about when you want to trash Wade Burleson because none of you were there at the beginning. I was. Art Rogers was. Ben Cole was. David Rogers was. Alan Cross was. And none of this would be happening now if that were not the case of us all fighting side by side. This stuff now is mild compared to what we fought through.

I corresponded privately with higher level leaders, some whose names you would know, but out of respect for their requests I have never written about it nor divulged any conversations. Nothing secret, only discussing what I wrote about on my other blog and some of what Wade has written about. So if you want to dish on anyone Wade isn’t the one. He was the only one brave enough to say hey there is an elephant in the room. An elephant no one could deny.

Now I am sure we are getting off topic.
.-= Debbie Kaufman´s last blog ..Doctrines Of Grace =-.

By: Dave Miller

Dave Miller — Thu, 06 Aug 2009 03:14:03 +0000

Because I assume you would not want any of us to believe charges this serious unless you provided clear proof, right? .-= Dave Miller´s last blog ..Chapman, Akin Et Al: A Pleasing Dissension in the SBC =-.