Is the SBC a Dysfunctional Family?

by Dave Miller on January 3, 2011 · 78 comments

Is your family more “Leave It to Beaver” or “Married with Children”?  I am not completely sure that there is such a thing in this sinful world as a totally functional family.  Sin causes us all to be dysfunctional at one level or another and we bring that to our families.

We also bring that dysfunction to our denominations.  Liberals and moderates often present a nostalgic view of the pre-CR SBC, as if it was a place of peace, happiness and unity focused on missions and evangelism – in which everyone sang Kumbaya together as we aggressively won the world to Christ!  When we don’t like the present, we often look to the past with wistful eyes and remember fondly what may not have existed in reality.  I don’t know if the SBC was ever completely functional.  Any reasonable history of the SBC would show conflict and division in almost every era.

It is safe to say that today’s SBC is what it has always been, a dysfunctional family.

In support of my assertion, I would make the following observations.

1)  The SBC has no family identity.

The Miller family has an identity.  There are certain ways we do things; ways that we relate to one another.  When my wife and I were in Lamaze classed (325 years ago), the teacher hated me.  She was horrified at the way I teased my wife.  Jenni wasn’t offended, but the teacher was.  In the Miller family, we tease.  That’s who we are.  When we are all together in one place, the trash talk flows in a steady stream.  Your family may be different.  Fine.  But the Millers are who we are.

The SBC used to have an identity.  In the 60′s, you could go into just about any SBC church in America, and it would be a lot like every other church.  There would be a pastor in a suit seated at the front with the choir in robes behind him.  There would be a piano on one side and an organ on the other.  We all sang from the same hymnbook.  After the hymns, the offering, the special music, there would be a 30 minute sermon followed by an invitation.  All that took place at 11:00 AM, immediately after Sunday School.  That night, you came back at 6 for Training Union followed by the Evening Service at 7 PM.  On Wednesday nights, you came back for RA’s, GA’s and Prayer Meeting.  We were who we were.  And we LIKED it!

Now, there is very little that identifies an SBC church as an SBC church.  Many churches don’t even have the name Baptist in them.  They have sandal-wearing hippies standing in front of rock bands!  Hymnal?  What’s that?  Deacons are being replaced by elders and sanctuaries are being replaced by multi-purpose buildings.

I’m not against that.  In fact, I’m trying to lead my church to start a plant across the river in South Sioux, Nebraska that would have that contemporary feel.  I think that Southern Baptists often focused on our structure and traditions more than on our Divinely ordained mission.

When I pastored in Virginia, I went on a mission trip to Honduras.  You may not believe this, but one woman on the trip (thankfully, not from my church) said, “Every Southern Baptist church should have every Southern Baptist program.”  Ridiculous.  To this woman, SBC identity meant more than being biblical.

For several years, the blog world was dominated by the “Baptist Identity” movement.  But the SBC at the national level rejected that movement and most of them have stopped blogging.  I agreed with some of what they advocated, and came to view many of the advocates as friends, but disagreed with many of their views and approaches strongly.  At the 2010 convention, the GCR was overwhelmingly adopted and the BI’s favorite candidate did not even make the runoff.  Evidently, the SBC does not identify with “Baptist Identity.”

The fact is simple.  We do not even know what a Southern Baptist is anymore.  We defined ourselves as conservative and Bible-believing in the 80′s and 90′s, but what then?  Are we the Calvinists our “Founders” meant we should be.  Or is the modern Calvinist movement among Baptists an identity aberration?  Are we defined by our church structure, our musical styles, our denominational programs?  Nobody really knows anymore do they?

If I asked the question, “What is a Southern Baptist?” (maybe I will) the discussion would be long and little agreement would be reached.

Today, we do not even know who we are as Southern Baptists.  We can agree that we believe in the Great Commission, but we can’t even agree on what it takes to obey that command!

2)  We keep secrets.

Every family has things it doesn’t share with the outside world.  I have tried to convince my kids that they do not have to share everything we do and say as a family with the whole world (especially with the church!) .  Nothing wrong with a little family privacy.  But I’ve known families that have deep, dark secrets and go to great lengths to hide the truth from the world.

I don’t know where the line is between family privacy and “skeletons in the closet” secrecy.  We’ve debated that pretty hard here on this site.  But I think we’ve crossed the line.  I have no idea what is in the sealed records of the GCRTF.  Maybe nothing.  But for the next 14 1/2 years, a lot of people are going to assume that there are deep dark secrets hidden there.

Our entities work in secrecy and do not tell the people what is going on.  We are supposed to give generously through the CP and shut up about what our leaders do.

Why do the “powers-that-be” disdain bloggers like they do?  Because we are not in the power loop (and I have no desire to be) but we refuse to shut up and simply let them do as they please.  We raise questions they don’t want to answer and give perspectives that are not approved by the power structure.  I’ve had several conversations with the PR director for one of our entities.  The conversations were cordial until I said something unfavorable about his boss – then it got ugly.  I was no longer a good guy.  I now wore the black hat and deserved to be shunned.

I believe it is evidence of dysfunction in the SBC that our leaders believe that we cannot be trusted with information, but have to work in secret to do what they do.   If they are right (that the people can’t be trusted) we are dysfunctional.  If they are wrong (and we could be trusted, but they don’t) we are dysfunctional.

3)  We can’t find a leader for our most important entity.

I know, not everyone agrees with that, but my main reason for being SBC is because of the great work of the International Mission Board.  I’ve been a big fan of Dr. Jerry Rankin and loved the work he did leading this missions organization.  He publicized his retirement well in advance of his retirement date and has been fishing and golfing (I actually have no idea if he does these things) for half a year, and still the IMB has no president.

We don’t really know what is going on (see point 2) but the word is that there is a division at the IMB between those who want someone with a missions background and those who want a megachurch pastor at the helm.  Internecine struggles would not be the mark of a healthy organization, would it?

4)  We put a leader in charge of an important entity who didn’t even support the entity.

Kevin Ezell was not only tepid (at best) in his support of NAMB, but was publicly critical of it.  Fine.  So was I.  I agree with his criticisms and continue to hope that the leadership purge he has engaged in might turn that organization around.  It has been no secret that NAMB has been the most dysfunctional of all the SBC entities.

But isn’t  it odd that a man who did not support an organization and was critical of it would be put in charge of that organization?   Maybe NAMB needed a kick in the seat of the pants and Ezell can give that.  But it seems to me to be a mark of dysfunction when you put someone in charge of the organization who did not support the organization.  Will the Republicans ask a Democrat to head the RNC?  Will MSNBC ask Sean Hannity to run their organization?  I know – extremes.  But isn’t that kind of what was done in hiring Ezell?

5)  We don’t face our “issues.”

The way Baptist Press operates is clear evidence of institutional dysfunction.   Baptist Press is seen as a PR arm of the SBC entities.  It should be called “Baptist Press Relations.”  That is what it is.

When a family is in trouble, they need to examine themselves openly, admit their problems, and deal with them.  Baptist Press does not act as a press agency, but as a public relations arm.  I have done an extensive (though not comprehensive) review of Baptist Press.  They do a very good job on missions and evangelism articles – telling the stories of Southern Baptists who are doing the work well.  This is where they are best.

But you will not find anything that could be seem as critical or negative about the entities of the SBC.  Most of the articles about NAMB are written by NAMB staffers.  Articles about the IMB are written by IMB  staffers.  How can we expect “news” when the articles about our entities are written by employees of those entities.  Baptist Press is more like a clearinghouse for press releases when it comes to news about Baptists.

Those of us who are interested in what is going on in the SBC are often left to going to ABP for our news.  That is unfortunate.

Some of the state paper editors have provided some perspective, but recently there has been a clamp down on them.  Norman Jameson and Doug Baker lost their positions as heads of state papers (NC and OK respectively) because they would not cowtow to the power structure, but maintained independence.

Healthy families admit their problems and deal with them.  The SBC only wants to publish fluff and hear how good things are.  This is a sign of dysfunction.

6)  We’ve become hyphenated.

The hyphenization of America has been addressed in full.  We are not just Americans anymore, we are “Italian-Americans”, “African-Americans”, or “Arab-Americans.”  We are majoring on our differences instead of what binds us together as one people.

The SBC is seeing that same process of hyphenization.  We are Calvinist-Baptists, emerging-Baptists, contemporary-Baptists, traditional-Baptists.

When we were locked in the “Battle for the Bible” we ignored those differences and joined together to prevent the SBC from following other denominations into the morass and spiritual impotence of liberalism.  But once that battle was won, we began to divide into camps.

In an article at sbcIMPACT, called “The Tug-of-War for the Future of the SBC“, “I identified ten major constituencies in the SBC (and there are many more).   I guess I have returned to where I started – the identity issue.  But the fact is that for many today, their denominational identity is secondary to something else.

Some Good Signs

I don’t want to be too negative.  Hey, everyone’s dysfunctional in some way.  The SBC has some challenges that need to be addressed, but we are not ready to fall apart yet.  I see some very favorable trends.  We may need some renovation work (to switch metaphors), but the house does not need to be torn down.  There are some good things in the SBC, some hopeful signs.  I would also mention a few of them.

1)  We have honored the Bible

Southern Baptists bucked the trend.  We did not follow the mainline denominations into the vortex of destruction known as liberalism.  That gives us something to work with – a foundation to build on.

2)  We have great seminaries.

I had no idea who Danny Akin and Nathan Finn were a few years ago.  Now, I will encourage anyone who asks me to consider Southeastern as their first choice for theological education.  I’ve never been on campus, but I like what I see.

And I have had the opportunity to meet a lot of young Southern grads here in Iowa.  I know there’s a lot of controversy attached there, but I love the fact that these young whippersnappers tend to value expositional preaching.  When I attended Southwestern (pre-CR), exegetically-based exposition of scripture was not highly valued in my homiletics classes.  Now, our seminaries value the work of the expositor!

When I was young, I would have begged a young preacher to avoid most of our seminaries.  Now, I can recommend any one of the them, and I appreciate that.  Nothing blesses the future of a denomination like the faithful training of its young preachers!

3)  Frank Page at the Executive Committee

I’ve been a fan of Frank Page for several years – since he became a candidate for SBC President back in 2006.  He has been more open and approachable than some leaders.  Time will tell, of course, I expect we are all (well, probably not all) going to be glad that Frank Page took over the Executive Committee.

I wish we could find a Frank Page type leader for every entity.

4)  The Message of the GCR!

I know that many of our readers have a negative view of the GCR.  Fine.  Really.

What I like most about the GCR is the message it sent.  Baptists have always tended toward be a traditional people – “let’s keep doing it the way we’ve always done it because we’ve always done it that way because that’s the way we do it!”  The GCR was the denomination’s acknowledgement that we need to look at what we have been doing and ask if there is a better way.

I don’t know where we will go, if all the recommendations will be fully implemented.  But I am grateful that we looked at who we were and where we were headed and asked ourselves if there is a better way.

A Dysfunctional Family is Still a Family!

Is your family dysfunctional?  It probably is.  There is a place where there is no dysfunction.  It’s called heaven.  Those who have trusted Christ will get to go there someday.  Today is not that day. We are sinners who live in a sinful world and our families, made up of sinners, will be dysfunctional.

Is the SBC dysfunctional?  Of course it is.  It always has been.  At some level, it always will be.  But that does not mean we should abandon it.  Just because a family is dysfunctional doesn’t mean you aren’t part of the family, does it?  The Millers have their dysfunction, but we are still a family.

I’m a Southern Baptist.  I love my family – the SBC family.  I think we’ve got a few significant problems, which will be dealt with best if we face them and work on them, not by hiding them or pretending they are not real.  \

So, brothers (and sisters) in the SBC family, what do you think?

1 Dave Miller January 3, 2011 at 3:44 pm

So, this could be a lively discussion.

It’s a new year. Time for a new start. Let’s keep the discussion focused on the post, okay?

2 Doug Hibbard January 3, 2011 at 4:06 pm

I can’t but remember that in my OBU days, the off-campus gatherings that featured movement in rhythm to music were called “Functions” rather than “dances” since dancing is anathema among Baptists.

I’ve known we were “dys-funcitonal” since then :)

Seriously, I think the evidence of dysfunction shows itself around the GCR. The message is right: we cannot keep doing things exactly the same way. It hasn’t always worked and it isn’t currently working. Yet then you see the issues around the process and also the question of application of the principles found within the GCR. The idea is right, but we’re still shaking out the how-to behind the why. And that’s hard to do when we can’t quite nail down who should make the suggestions or whether or not those who won’t do as suggested should even stick around.

Please note, everyone: I AM NOT SAYING THE GCR ITSELF IS DYSFUNCTIONAL. JUST THAT YOU CAN SEE OUR NATURE THROUGH WHAT HAS GONE ON WITH IT AND AROUND IT.

I think one of the issues that we haven’t figured out how to handle relates to what you talked about for your family, and it’s also true of mine. We have secrets within the family. We have discussions that are guarded among those we are close to. In the SBC, we haven’t figured out how to do that. Either it’s a too-secret committee or it’s a wide-open blog forum. There’s no really a viable way for 7 million Southern Baptists to talk just amongst ourselves and deal with some of our dysfunction. The end result of that, I think, will be a continued lessening of the denominations impact and a greater move toward a more pragmatic unity. I’m not sure it’s good, but I see, eventually, a Baptist Global Missions Board and 6 individual seminaries with self-elected boards, funded from a collection from all Southern Baptist churches. Anything not either missions or seminary will either be state convention run or non-Baptist. And with that, yes, I see the demise of the actual Convention meeting, the resolutions process, and the complete independence of Lifeway and Guidestone, though they will continue to have a pre-filled customer base.

The unity around the practical functions will result in more churches bound in affinity type networks and less shared influence. I’m not sure it’s bad or good, but that’s just my guess.

Doug

3 Dave Miller January 3, 2011 at 4:31 pm

You danced? I will be permanently banning you from commenting here, Doug. Dancing? We just can’t have that, sir!

4 Doug Hibbard January 3, 2011 at 7:31 pm

Ahem, I attended a dance. Several of them, both high school and college. What did I do? Nothing that would qualify as dancing, no matter how generously one defines it. Dancing requires moving in rhythm.

5 Dave Miller January 3, 2011 at 7:37 pm

Yeah, I didn’t dance, but it wasn’t out of conviction, it was out of a lack of ability.

On the other hand, my son became a fairly proficient musical theater/dance/show choir guy. Go figure.

6 Bess January 3, 2011 at 4:20 pm

If we don’t have a piano side and an organ side then how will we know where we’re supposed to sit? Training Union? Oh my, my kids get on me whenever I say “Dad and I are going to the Baptist Book Store.” “It’s been Lifeway our whole lives Mom.” ;)

7 Dave Miller January 3, 2011 at 4:37 pm

An elderly lady in my last church kinda went off on me one night, complaining that nothing is called what it used to be called. FMB is IMB. HMB is NAMB. Baptist Book Store is Lifeway. Annuity Board is Guidestone. Training Union become Church Training, then Discipleship Training and just sort of disappeared.

I think Baptists often labor under the impression that if we just change the name of something, we change the nature of that thing. Or, if we just come up with a new slogan, everything will change.

Gotta love our delusional, dysfunctional family.

8 Anthony Russo January 3, 2011 at 6:47 pm

That’s probably more from the influence of Corporate America and not just an SBC thing. I spent 20 years in CorpAm and saw the same thing with whole subsidiaries or departments or products being renamed for the same reasons: A “re-branding” to “generate excitement” and “forward momentum” since the, um, last re-branding that generated excitement and forward momentum from the previous rebranding that gener……

9 Dave Miller January 3, 2011 at 6:50 pm

A “re-branding” to “generate excitement” and “forward momentum” since the, um, last re-branding that generated excitement and forward momentum from the previous rebranding that gener……

great sentence!

10 Bess January 3, 2011 at 6:53 pm

All I know is that the Newsboys are not still the Newsboys withou Peter Furler no offense against Michael Tait. Michael Tait is DC Talk. So totally messing up on this whole branding thingy.

11 Lydia January 3, 2011 at 4:47 pm

Bess, your church has an organ!?! They are an endangered species! :o )

12 Bess January 3, 2011 at 5:46 pm

I think they actually play the organ in the early service :) and occasionally you’ll have a bride who wants the real organ for her wedding.

I have fond memories of feeling absolutely safe and all was right with the world sitting in our church with giant stain glass windows and listening to the soaring offeratory of the organ and piano duets. I love music of all kinds, but I think we lose something by just dumping everything “old”

13 Doug Hibbard January 3, 2011 at 7:32 pm

We’ve got an organ, and no one to play it. Kills using Inna-gadda-divida for preludes.

14 Lydia January 3, 2011 at 8:18 pm

Organists are endangered species, too. Wish I had payed attention during all those lessons years ago….

It also kills any hope of Handel.

15 bill January 3, 2011 at 9:32 pm

I don’t miss organs. You can spend about four grand and get a really nice keyboard that is portable and doesn’t lock up your staging for decades to come. They can reproduce absolutely every facet of an organ, including the antiphonals if your church hired a competent sound company for their system install. The only thing you lose is watching someone play the organ.

If you closed your eyes, you would not be able to tell the difference between the keyboard or the organ.

So your church can spend 4 grand on a keyboard with no upkeep costs or your church can spend in excess of 300 grand with tens of thousands of dollars for upkeep with the knowledge that you’re gonna have to spend hundreds of thousands of dollars eventually to replace it all over again.

Yet churches INSIST on the organ because of tradition and nothing more.

And yes, Handel sounds absolutely fabulous on the high end keyboards.

I have over twenty years of sound mixing and sound equipment experience which is how I qualify my response.

16 Doug Hibbard January 3, 2011 at 11:02 pm

Bill, you’ve got a point on the cost when looking at new construction.

Many of us, though, are in churches that have had their organs for years. Plus, with a keyboard, what do you do with your feet?

17 Bess January 3, 2011 at 11:41 pm

I’ve never actually heard a keyboard that sounds like the organs of old. Maybe the sound system is not good enough. I know we go to Luthern Church sometimes and their organ makes the covering over the pipes move. I have several organist and pianist in the family and I’ve heard them opine that they don’t think the keyboard replaces the organ either but maybe it’s the sound system thing. But sometimes you get an organist who makes the thing sound like the circus -all calliope music? That’s a hoot!

18 bill January 3, 2011 at 11:49 pm

Please note some things here:

1. High End Keyboards – The ones you generally have to order and aren’t normally on display at your basic music shop. Odds are, you’ll have to travel to put your pianist hands on it in person.

2. Sound Systems done properly – Most churches skimp on their sound systems when doing new construction which is a shame because this is when it’s the cheapest to get it done right the first time. Unfortunately, building committees will cut sound systems before they’ll cut decorating the foyer with genuine leather couches that they won’t let anyone actually sit on.

If you go with the keyboard, the high end ones have pedals which allow for the full recreation of the sound of an organ. Again, this is high end keyboards which most people balk at when they see the sticker price, yet have no problem spending an extra couple of zeroes in the pricetag for an instrument that has no portability and no flexibility.

19 Anthony Russo January 3, 2011 at 10:10 pm

I almost choked laughing at that, Doug. That was a riot.

20 Matt Svoboda January 3, 2011 at 4:20 pm

Dr. Bruce Carlton would be great for the IMB… Spent over a decade in Cambodia during its worst times, many years in other places as well as a missionary, got his doctorate from the Seminary in South Africa, a good prof, and is friendly with both generations and with Calvinists and non-Calvinists. When I was there he was one of the few non-4 or 5 pointers at SBTS.

21 Matt Svoboda January 3, 2011 at 4:21 pm

His problem would probably be lack of a ton of organization/administration experience… But he was the administrator of a major church planting movement in Cambodia- like I said- in their darkest times.

22 Bess January 3, 2011 at 4:26 pm

The most imporatant skill anyone in leadership can possess is the ability to appoint people who perhaps can make up for their weaknesses. In my experience Pastors can be the most loving and in touch with the congregation and have no orginazational skills, and then you would need an associate or at least perhaps a good assistent to compensate so the Pastor can work where he’s stong and let others handle those places where he’s weak – you know the whole body of Christ analogy. Churches need different strenghs in their Pastors during different seasons. The important thing is to know where leaders are weak and for those leaders to have the humility to admit the weakness and then to plug in with additional staff or in the case of churches sometimes volunteers.

23 Strider January 4, 2011 at 5:15 am

I love Bruce and think the world of him but he is about as personable as an accountant. You would have to make his wife Gloria co-president to make it work!

24 Matt Svoboda January 4, 2011 at 12:24 pm

lol- thats hilarious. Gloria makes great cookies as well. I think if Bruce brought Glorias cookies to every meeting things would go just fine!

25 Dave Miller January 4, 2011 at 12:27 pm

Is Bruce in the IMB management, Strider? If he is, he will probably be contacting me to get your real name. I consider you a friend and I will protect your identity (unless he offers me money).

Hope all is well in Gondor.

26 Strider January 5, 2011 at 2:11 am

Bruce knows who I am and he knows I am right.

27 Dave Miller January 3, 2011 at 4:38 pm

Gotta believe there is someone out there. I don’t think the question is administration (as Bess says, you can hire administrators). It is “big-picture” strategery and vision.

28 Bess January 3, 2011 at 4:43 pm

Well, isn’t the problem with who to hire whether it’s the administration has just been bad or the whole thing needs to be chucked and we need a new vision and stategy?

29 Doug Hibbard January 3, 2011 at 7:33 pm

What’s wrong with my nomination of Dave Miller? Other than his being a Yankees fan?

30 Dave Miller January 3, 2011 at 7:36 pm

Uh…yeah…

31 Lydia January 3, 2011 at 4:44 pm

“She was horrified at the way I teased my wife. Jenni wasn’t offended, but the teacher was. In the Miller family, we tease. That’s who we are. When we are all together in one place, the trash talk flows in a steady stream. Your family may be different. Fine. But the Millers are who we are.”

I laughed out loud at this. We are the same way and play complicated pranks on one another all the time. We also debate a lot. Something I have to remind myself that some in the world think is “mean”. :o )

About the topic, some of our problems could be trying to do things the same way in the 21st Century as we did in the 20th. I am not talking about “what” we do but “how” we do them. With information flowing like it is, our structures do not always match the needs of our mission.

32 Bob Cleveland January 3, 2011 at 5:17 pm

Well, if you’re going to steal “strategery” from George Bush, why not go all the way and draft him as head of IMB?

33 Dave Miller January 3, 2011 at 7:38 pm

You’ve had some good ideas, Bob.

That is not one of them.

34 Doug Hibbard January 4, 2011 at 7:54 am

Besides, praying in Texan is potentially a private prayer language. That’s still being reviewed by 9 Baptist monks in a cloister on a hilltop in Maine.

35 Christiane January 4, 2011 at 8:48 am
36 Doug Hibbard January 4, 2011 at 9:42 am

I guess Australian’s no more bizarre of a language than Yankee….

After all, Southern Baptist Convention isn’t about geography, it’s about language, y’all.

37 Christiane January 4, 2011 at 12:35 pm

I wish ‘Aussie John’ was a commentator here, Doug. He would love to spar with you about the Aussies. Let’s see if I can locate his site in Australia, from Paul Burleson’s comments.
You would love this guy. I know he would like you.

Found it. Enjoy getting to know Aussie John:

http://www.blogger.com/profile/16199918171163666399

38 Greg Alford January 3, 2011 at 5:22 pm

Dave,

When I read this article the old saying “It’s hard to teach an old dog a new trick” came to mind.

That is not intended to be critical of your article, which is excellent… it is intended to illustrate just how difficult it is for any of us to change the way we perceive our relationship with other Baptist in the Convention. Instinctively we think that all Southern Baptist should have a shared identity… That the churches of the SBC and their members should look, act, and worship, pretty much alike. That would only be true if the Southern Baptist Convention was a true denomination with limited church autonomy and accountability to denominational leadership.

AS we both know, the local churches of the SBC would never yield one ounce of their autonomy, and submitting to denominational leadership is openly scoffed at by just about everyone (that is unless your guys are currently in power…) Yet, we just can’t stop thinking of ourselves as a denomination, and we can’t stop referring to ourselves as being “Southern Baptist”, when in reality we are “Baptist” who have chosen to cooperate with an autonomous missions organization known as the “Southern Baptist Convention”.

Perhaps for this reason (if none other) it would be a good idea to change the name of the SBC to _________ Baptist Missionary Union/Agency?

Grace for the Journey,

39 Dave Miller January 3, 2011 at 6:07 pm

I’ve written that I believe that a name change would be very helpful. I’m told it would be next thing to logistically impossible.

Here’s my article at sbcIMPACT on the name change.

40 bapticus hereticus January 3, 2011 at 5:28 pm

Dave: [1] Southern Baptists bucked the trend. [2] We did not follow the mainline denominations into the vortex of destruction known as liberalism.

Norm (AKA bapticus hereticus): [1] Over last year (2009) there was an increase in church membership by .49 percent (2010), but for this reporting period the Southern Baptist Convention did not report a gain, rather it reported a loss of .24 percent. It’s closest denomination in terms of change was the United Methodist Church, which reported a loss of .98%. While it is fact, given denominational reporting, that SBC lost less percentage-wise than the mainlines, like the mainlines, it, nonetheless, lost members from 2009 to 2010. To SBC’s credit, however, loss of membership does not have the history as that of the mainlines, but in all likelihood it has begun such a trajectory.

[2] For the top 25 churches (in terms of size) that reported in 2010, those that reported gains were Jehovah’s Witness, Church of God, Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints, the Catholic Church, and the Assemblies of God. Among these congregations, interestingly one will find women ministers, baptism for the dead, infant baptism, etc.. Of the group of which the SBC finds itself (i.e., those losing members), interestingly, as well, it will find churches with a similar perspective on inspiration of scripture and a refusal to ordain women as pastors. Given this, it is difficult to make a case that liberalism is the vortex of destruction as asserted, or (biblical) conservativism as the (implied) response. The decline in church membership is real and its reasons are multidimensional and interrelated. If those in SBC think liberalism is its cause, it will have taken a complex phenomenon and reduced it to a simple problem having a simple solution, and given this frame of mind, effective alternatives that may enhance the viability of SBC will likely not be generated.

41 Bess January 3, 2011 at 5:42 pm

Is the SBC actually losing members or is it purging the rolls of people who haven’t darkened the doors for years?

42 Dave Miller January 3, 2011 at 6:01 pm

There have been minuscule statistical declines in the last two years. Probably cannot all be explained by roll purges. Actually, the more disturbing trend is not the last two years of tiny declines, but the decade before that of meaningless statistical increases.

43 Bess January 3, 2011 at 6:43 pm

I don’t keep up with the numbers and I’m not sure I’m understanding. I know of at least one church right now that has a membership roll of over 900 and they average 60 in SS. So I expect when the current Pastor retires that church may get a Pastor who will push to purge the roles as they should. So if there have been a lot of those types of churches and I think there have been, at some point the SBC numbers have to come down to the 6-9 mil that actually are still active members which would indicate a 50% or more decline in membership. I know there has been an effort to push for a regenerate church membership so I would think we’d be seeing that reflected in the numbers. So I guess whenver I hear “decline” I wonder if anyone is accounting for a real actual decline or just an adjustment in the rolls where the decline happened years ago?

And I agree with your point that just because the Jehovah’s Witness’ are increasing is not an indication we are wrong – that’s a bad thing where people are following heresy. The big Texas, author, pastor who preaches an inoffensive gospel light has a lot of followers but that doesn’t equal right doctrine.

44 bill January 3, 2011 at 11:57 pm

My home church claimed a total membership for over 4K before our previous pastor walked in the doors.

He purged the rolls of anyone who hadn’t attended the church in 36 months.

We now claim a members of about 1100 with only 450 – 550 average attendance.

Yeah, our rolls shrunk by over 75% due to neglect and over inflating our numbers. There were many members who hadn’t attended since high school and they were listed as members even though they only came one time. The ensuing “fight” was great because the older deacons didn’t want to get rid of anyone “because they might come back”…

We’re talking they hadn’t walked in the doors in 20 years. One member was a good friend of mine and he was a pastor in a church of a different denomination… I particularly loved that one.

45 Dave Miller January 4, 2011 at 1:40 am

That might be a good topic for conversation – pros and cons of roll-cleansing.

46 Dave Miller January 3, 2011 at 6:03 pm

I don’t just speak of statistical increase. I am talking about the more serious issue – mainline denominations that have sacrificed the gospel, denied the truths of the Word, caved to cultural mores and abandoned the exclusivity of Christ.

Don’t want to go there. At least the SBC still believes the gospel.

47 bapticus hereticus January 3, 2011 at 6:43 pm

Dave: [1] I don’t just speak of statistical increase. [2] I am talking about the more serious issue – mainline denominations that have sacrificed the gospel, denied the truths of the Word, caved to cultural mores and abandoned the exclusivity of Christ. Don’t want to go there. At least the SBC still believes the gospel. [3] Norm – are you Southern Baptist?

Norm (AKA bapticus hereticus): [1] Yet it is for membership declines that conservatives have taken the mainlines to task. By the logic of conservatives, the plateau and decline in membership in SBC cannot be due to liberalism, it would be due to conservatism (i.e., “the more disturbing trend is not the last two years of tiny declines, but the decade before that of meaningless statistical increases.”). Hopefully, whether for SBC or the mainlines, the liberal and conservative boogeyman arguments are seen for what they are: simplistic and not helpful.

[2] Perhaps if one wishes to see a possible reason for why the SBC is in decline, one might revisit this comment. That there are theological differences is not denied, nor is it that there are many theological similarities, but statements like these are considered by many people as naïve and arrogant. As such, it is an “in other words” comment for the following: “… the vortex of destruction known as liberalism.” And again, data do not bear out this simple relationship.

[3] Good question. I don’t have a tidy answer to this. While not entirely comfortable with SBC prior to 1979, I do miss, however, the days when diversity in SBC was not as feared a phenomena as it is now.

48 Dave Miller January 3, 2011 at 6:46 pm

If the statistical decline in the SBC could be attributed to the loss of those who are theologically heterodox, then I would call it a good thing.

We are going through an identity crisis, and perhaps lost site of the actual importance of the Great Commission and obedience to it.

49 bapticus hereticus January 3, 2011 at 7:10 pm

Dave: … We are going through an identity crisis ….

Norm (AKA bapticus hereticus): The following is taken from the online Encyclopedia of Psychology:

“Erikson coined the phrase identity crisis to describe the temporary instability and confusion adolescents experience as they struggle with alternatives and choices. To cope with the uncertainties of this stage, adolescents may overidentify with heroes and mentors, fall in love, and bond together in cliques, excluding others on the basis of real or imagined differences. According to Erikson, successful resolution of this crisis depends on one’s progress through previous developmental stages, centering on fundamental issues of trust, autonomy, and initiative.”

Given an authoritarian mindset typical of many conservative SBC leaders, pastors, and board members, issues of trust, autonomy, and initiative will likely prove to be challenging. The strategic apex of many organizations, perspective notwithstanding, tends to move in this (i.e., control and conformity) direction, but given such (i.e., strategic apex) coupled with authoritarian, conservative religious convictions and a propensity for stating, “the Lord spoke to me thus,” successful resolution of the crisis will likely be very difficult. I pray for SBC’s success, however.

50 Dave Miller January 3, 2011 at 7:12 pm

Look, Norm there’s three kinds of responses toward the SBC’s statistical issues.

1) Some deny that there is a real problem.

2) Others of us see some issues and want to address them.

3) Others use it as an excuse to vent their frustration with the conservative direction of the SBC.

You are welcome to rejoice at the struggles of the SBC and use them as vindication for your views. But this is not another discussion of the CR and how much some people hate it. We aren’t going to go down that road again.

51 bapticus hereticus January 4, 2011 at 11:41 am

Dave: … three kinds of responses toward the SBC’s statistical issues. 1) Some deny that there is a real problem. 2) Others of us see some issues and want to address them. 3) Others use it as an excuse to vent their frustration with the conservative direction of the SBC. You are welcome to rejoice at the struggles of the SBC and use them as vindication for your views. But this is not another discussion of the CR and how much some people hate it. We aren’t going to go down that road again.

Norm (AKA bapticus hereticus): CR? Goodness, Dave, where is CR an issue in this conversation? Frustration? As I recall many on this blog are concerned about the direction of SBC, and it seems your blogging of late centers on this issue, as well; thus it is hardly appropriate to question my concern but ignore your own. However, and for the record, I have family and friends that are both laity and ministers in SBC, and when I say I pray for its success, you can believe I am being sincere. I gain nothing hoping that their preferred religious institution would be ineffective in enhancing their faith experiences, but I gain enormously via their happiness and religious enrichment. That I am critical of SBC behavior and your comments does not mean that I am critical of its members or you or that I oppose the being of SBC. I am for the effective functioning of all religious institutions and their ability to influence people for higher-level living. Whereas I was once more central to the life of SBC but am now on the margins of it, I still have a stake in its being and will turn a critical eye toward it in hopes of making it a better organization. Being a baptist, that is a reasonable expectation for me, no?

Now back to the issues of an identity crisis that must be resolved, which depend to an important degree on the resolution of issues at previous stages of development. The issues of trust, autonomy, and initiative. The issues have been in the news of late, and may be evidenced in the selection of the NAMB president and the findings of GC task force. Shrinking financing and the ego needs of the dominant coalition make for interesting organizational times in which the protection of power usually comes at the expense of developing and maintaining the viability of an institution. Leaders greet voice-type behaviors with scorn (e.g., bath-robbed bloggers), given it violates the supposed norm of loyalty (e.g., why are you complaining, I have been anointed from people more powerful than any of us), which carries the supposition that those in charge know what they are doing and are not to be questioned. From what I have been reading, we know they know how to protect their place in the system, but their protection may not be in the long-term interest of the system. “For your religious enrichment, you need us, but don’t ask us to explain ourselves (e.g., minutes of meetings locked-up for years) for we are an autonomous body.” Yet, we also know that the autonomy of the one is best used to develop autonomy in the other, which creates a system of inter-related autonomous beings acting in the best interest of self and other. Our autonomy allows us to act intrinsically for the other, but when autonomy is used in less than an other-regarding manner, it seeks to make others dependent, thus one independent of the other. Trust, then, in the greater body is attenuated, as are pro-social behaviors that facilitate a more cooperating institution. Perhaps giving and cooperating less is considered an equity adjustment, but in any event that which suffers in the institution are the practice of a type of autonomy that is generative, the development of perceived/felt trust, and the manifestation of initiative (e.g., pro-social behavior). The SBC is experiencing an identity crisis of sorts but the vested interest of a powerful coalition will seek to control the conversation, allowing just enough divergent thinking to emerge as to satisfy those on the margins that are seeking greater participation and influence, but it will use its power to quell any meaningful dialogue that threatens its ability to maintain power. And SBC will continue to lose members for its mindset is insufficient for the realities of the current age. However, SBC is not alone; other denominations face challenges, too. Those that forge an identity that adapts to a changed environment are those that have likely have experienced sustained pressure from the edges that overcame the tendency of leadership to control that which is necessary. But for some conservatives, sustaining pressure can be problematic; that is, for those that are more typically given to and accepting of authoritarianism, control and conformity is rarely questioned. Those that rasise these points, however, are.

52 Dave Miller January 3, 2011 at 6:05 pm

Norm – are you Southern Baptist?

53 Bill Pfister January 3, 2011 at 8:48 pm

Good article. All fair things that need to be said.

I think the best candidate for the IMB is Gordon Fort, vice president, Office of Global Strategy.

I heard he was the favorite but the trustees are split between a missionary candidate (which in my opinion is the best choice) and a mega church pastor (very poor choice).

Bill

54 Dave Miller January 3, 2011 at 9:00 pm

I’ve heard several missionaries speak highly of Gordon Fort. I think most of them are hoping he will get the job.

Yeah, I don’t know what is going on there, but you and I have heard the same rumblings.

55 William January 3, 2011 at 9:52 pm

A little optimism about the SBC, please.

NAMB is conducting an experiment with their new leader. Let’s see if it works.

I would give the IMB time to get it right. Think of the consequences of the IMB doing as NAMB has done over the past decade.

Yeah, I think probably that the SBC should apologize for all that chest thumping about how mainline, more liberal protestants were declining but not us.

Purging church may make the calvinists happier (though they are typically happy only when miserable) and may please the fussbudgets who gush over tidiness but purging church rolls is not an actual solution for anything.

56 Dave Miller January 3, 2011 at 9:54 pm

What is the “experiment” NAMB is conducting?

57 Anthony Russo January 3, 2011 at 10:28 pm

Hi William,

‘Calvinists are typically happy only when miserable’? As a Calvinist-who-knows-plenty-o-Calvinists I can’t think of a single one I would describe as “miserable” in their demeanor. Honest. Respectfully, you are mistaken in your generality. Presuming an Armininian stance, I don’t think you would appreciate my leveling the same blanket charge to you and your doctrinal peers.

An honest accountability before God and men for who/how many are in regular fellowship is not the goal of “fussbudgets” as you name-call us. We (or maybe “I”) just think it a misrepresentation to operate otherwise. Roll-purging is a real solution for a real problem, especially in our transient culture today. Maybe you can help me understand better the reasons against roll-purging?

Kind regards,
Anth

58 Dave Miller January 3, 2011 at 10:59 pm

Yeah, a stereotype like that is not very helpful.

To condemn all Calvinists as willingly and constantly miserable is wrong, unfair.

59 Jim Champion January 4, 2011 at 6:36 am

Do you think William was just having a little fun with that statement? Of course you had to jump on it and prove him correct :)

60 Dave Miller January 4, 2011 at 12:31 pm

Actually, William is hard to read.

He doesn’t put little smiley faces after his insults.

61 Jim Champion January 4, 2011 at 12:46 pm

As a semi active reader of Williams blog, he seems to be a equal opportunity gigger, with a pretty decent sense of humor. How else could he have survived all that time on BL.com??

Don’t know why I had to post this over your semi respectful comment to me…

62 Dave Miller January 4, 2011 at 1:16 pm

“Semi-respectful…?” I need to learn to communicate more clearly, Jim!

You are right. William gigs everyone. I’ve actually said things that agreed with him, and he criticized me for it!

Can’t figure that young man out.

63 Bess January 3, 2011 at 11:20 pm

” Maybe you can help me understand better the reasons against roll-purging?’

I won’t make a blanket statement about everyone who was against the regenerate church membership thing, but I’ll give you a couple of reasons.

First, some people think you leave people on rolls so you remember they’re not there and that you have to go visit or something or other. Of course this makes no sense because nobody was suggesting you burn up all the names and contact information.

Second, and I tend to agree with this one – it’s one thing to suggest purging rolls. Another thing entirely to label someone “unregenerate” Whether someone was ever on God’s roll is not for us to judge and I think people took offense to the idea that if you don’t follow certain criteria ie you don’t show up in a certain church a certain number of times that you then get labeled as “lost” People break away from churches for many, many reasons – and it’s not always because they’re unregenerate. People tend to have a list of “fruit” – in church x number of days per week, give x amount of money, visit x amount of people, work x number of ministries – people can have all those checked off on a list and still not know the Biblical Gospel and then you can have some sincerely nice people who display all the fruits of the Spirit and those people don’t know the Biblical Gospel. So it’s this whole idea that just because someone hasn’t shown up at church must mean that they were never really saved that I think struck people as wrong. Church attendance is not a requirement for Salvation. Knowing that Salvation is found through no other name but Jesus is a requirement.

64 Greg Alford January 4, 2011 at 1:11 pm

Hey,

I’m one of those “Miserable Calvinist” and happy to be one! :-)

Grace for the Journey,
Greg

65 Frank and Larry January 4, 2011 at 2:10 am

“”but purging church rolls is not an actual solution for anything.”"

Very well said. I say we just move ‘em from one list to another: from the active membership list to the prospect list.

66 Frank and Larry January 4, 2011 at 2:19 am

“”1) The SBC has no family identity”"

This observation deserves great scrutiny. This might be at the very heart of the decline (and we may argue the degree but not the fact of the decline).

There’s a great leadership book (I think it is still in print) called “Leadership Secrets of Atilla the Hun.” The basic premise in this book is that the Huns were a feared and fierce force because they shared a common identity instilled in them by Atilla.

In reality, the Huns were not monolithic but quite diverse. Yet, those wanting to become a Hun, had to adopt the identity that was well-grounded and non-negotiable.

Any group begins to disintegrate when a sense of common identity is lost. Only so much diversity can be assimilated before disintegration sets in.

Very good insight, David.

I might add that our problems arise when we try to establish an identity for other groups, and don’t stick to minding our own business (Phil. 3). But, we do need to know who we are and what our business is if we are going to prosper. This present state of flux within the SBC does not bode well for a strong finish. We need to establish our identity once again. I suspect that some withing the walls will not like it.

67 Christiane January 4, 2011 at 2:29 am

“We need to establish our identity once again.”

In your opinion, what the SBC’s identity used to be ?

68 Christiane January 4, 2011 at 2:30 am

Meant to say ‘what DID the SBC’s identity used to be?

69 Jake Barker January 4, 2011 at 10:41 am

Like Mama always said:
“If a SB can’t find someone outside the church to fight they will look for someone to fight inside the church.”
Mom was correct then some 55 years ago and her definition still fits nearly 20 years after her death.

70 Greg Alford January 4, 2011 at 1:14 pm

Ouch!

71 Strider January 4, 2011 at 5:33 am

I was baptized in a SB Church that served a military base in Okinawa, Japan. I was 12 and I was taught that SB’s were all about missions. Moving from one place to another over the years this message was consistent, or at least it was the message I was hearing. I would love for that to be our identity. Southern Baptists are on mission with God. It fits on a tee-shirt and describes us historically and currently. We don’t all celebrate this identity and we don’t all participate in it. This is the problem that real leaders need to take charge of. If we can do that then we can recover the role that God has for us as an organization. If not…. then the identity reverts back to ‘SBs are argumentative, critical, and judgmental.’ Both descriptions can be true. One needs to be promoted and the other purged.

72 Greg Alford January 4, 2011 at 1:21 pm

Strider,

There is an old adage that says “Form follows function”. If the Southern Baptist Convention is having an “Identity Crises” perhaps it is because we have lost sight of the purpose and mission of the Convention.

Identify the function (purpose) of the Convention and you will have identified the true Southern Baptist Identity.

Grace for the Journey,
Greg

73 Christiane January 4, 2011 at 1:54 pm

Hi GRED ALFORD,

I enjoyed reading your article on the ‘Cross-shaped’ laminin structure, especially that part: “You see…. Laminins
are what hold us together.. LITERALLY
.
They are cell adhesion molecules. They are what holds one cell of our bodies to the next cell. Without them, we would literally fall apart. And I knew all this already. But what I didn’t know is what they LOOKED LIKE..”

There is a verse I’m sure you know already that corresponds beautifully. It is found in the first chapter of Colossians, verse 17:

” He Himself is before all things,
and by Him all things hold together.”

Your post reminded me of that verse so much.

74 Jack Wolford January 4, 2011 at 3:05 pm

Who’s dysfunctional ? The SBC and each entity has gangs of employees, gangs of attorneys for each entity, each seminary and the organization to keep them running with every by-law necessary to keep them happy. We on the other hand talk about “cell adhesion molecules, Atilla the Hun, organs with no foot peddles ( hardy-har-har) , organs with no players. We play the keyboards if you will while SBC burns the money. Who’s dysfunctional ?

75 Bill Morgan January 4, 2011 at 3:30 pm

As a longtime IMBer (missionary and then staff), now retired, I pray IMB will select Gordon Fort!

76 Dave Miller January 4, 2011 at 5:09 pm

I’ve heard that pretty frequently, Bill. Don’t know him, but he seems to have garnered the respect of the missionaries who worked with him.

77 David R. Brumbelow January 4, 2011 at 6:59 pm

Bill and Dave,
I agree.

Gordon Fort would make a great choice to lead the International Mission Board.

David R. Brumbelow

78 Jim Pemberton January 5, 2011 at 1:11 am

You have to define the source and purpose of the dysfunction. I’m glad we have to struggle in this world as Christians, even with each other. I’ve never seen a worthy ministry that didn’t have struggles between ministers. Did it start with Paul and Barnabus or among the twelve who foolishly debated who would be the greatest in the Kingdom? As though God needed a foil, we provide just that. God does his ministry among us in some way because of us, but also in spite of us. In this way he receives all the glory. So the dysfunction comes from our foolishness and results in the evidence of God’s glory.

That’s also the beauty of younger generations. Ideally, we grow spiritually. This glorifies God. One generation may correct some ills of the previous generation, but they may also revert to some ills of even earlier generations that they know little of. Nevertheless, they will grow spiritually as previous generations have done and God will be continually glorified in the continual correction of our foolishness. But we will always be foolish in this world. Therefore, we must always struggle, but always to the glory of God.

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