After seeing some of the motions made at the SBC I saw some interesting tweets. Below are three tweets that I think should be heavily discussed. Especially the last one.
“Thinks SBCers ready to burn Driscoll in effigy but read, tolerate, and celebrate “The Shack” need to focus on the gospel.”
Matt seems to get this right. How is it that the SBC has come to a point where we promote, sell, and even have William Paul Young come speak at our churches, but yet Mark Driscoll is to be completely disregarded? Is this not wrong and seemingly pathetic to anyone else? Are we really a denomination that takes Young over Driscoll? Seriously?
“Today’s Convention is all about what we are AGAINST (alcohol, cussing, Pepsi, Mark Driscoll, Acts 29, etc.)”
This is an obvious observations made by Brister. Why are 90% of our motions what we are against? Do we not stand FOR things? What a waste of time when we spend out motions and energy on boycotting Pepsi, cussing, a church planting organization, a gospel-centered pastor, and of course alcohol.
“Why stay SBC? It’s apparent I and many others are not wanted.”
This question needs an answer. Why should people who are involved in Acts 29, read Mark Driscoll’s books, and see no problem with an occasional drink of alcohol stay in the SBC?
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I agree with Timmy Brister…these motions represent what is wrong with the SBC. We are cutting people on the field…declining in membership and baptism and we have people wanting to boycott June (gay pride month), pepsi and ed stetzer….makes me want to cuss and have a drink
If you have that drink don’t be surprised if someone motions to boycott you!
I think you prove the point of those who dislike Driscoll’s brash and careless speech. For you “drinkiing” is a joke. It has ALWAYS been a serious issue for Baptists. I find your jokes about drinking personally offensive — my brother died young from a life of drinking. It all started with a harmless? beer. So, count me as one who does feel the contemptuous and careless speech of Drisoll is beyond the bounds for this Baptist. Also, yes, I know Driscoll has tried to distance himself from his speech, but you keep bringing it up so I assume those who do not share your views will keep responding — at least for now. Joking about sex and drinking seem careless in my view. Both these issues have death attached to them when they are not taken seriously. Just my opinion.
Pathetic is right.
I would recommend someone shoot heroin rather than read “The Shack.”
I think I’ll have a glass of Riesling (it’s all I have currently).
Stan,
If the convention did anything today it made me want to have a drink. Beer or Wine? How can I choose! I think I will read a Driscoll book as well. Nevermind the alcohol, I’ll go with Pepsi!
Matt,
Diet Sprite is the soft drink for me.
BTW, I’m currently reading a Driscoll book for a review.
I too am reading a Driscoll book for review and an upcoming giveaway. I bet it’s the same one.
dr. pepper is the softdrink for me
Ya know…with the type of talk and resolutions about alcohol, etc. why not also reject our money? Is this not the mindset? They want to reject the service of anyone who might have a drink. Some want to boycott Pepsi all together.
So, if folks want to cut all associational ties then they should be consistent and not accept our money either.
You make a good point Mark.
i’m not at the convention this year. am i hearing correctly that boycotts of pepsi, acts 29, and other things came up? someone fill me in, this is news to me, seriously
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You guys should be encouraged. Sure, there are always those messengers who will make offensive motions from the floor, but it would be a mistake to think that these motions represent the sentiment of the Convention as a whole. Consider that that these motions will be rejected when they are acted on by the trustees of the various agencies. Consider the rebuke given from the chair concerning several of those motions. Consider the unity that has developed in the last year among key leaders who have opposed one another on various issues in the past. Consider the applause that came from the floor whenever unity was promoted and the groans and negative reception of the motions you mentioned. Consider the response from the messengers to Akin’s theme interp. compared to the report of another entity head. Consider that the GCR document not only passed, but did so overwhelmingly.
To borrow someone else’s metaphor, don’t leave the family just because we have a couple crazy uncles. Things are bright in the SBC.
Amen, Todd!
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Ok, boycotting Pepsi is a little silly. But condemning Mark Driscoll is simply applying biblical truth to a sinning brother. Driscoll has on numerous occasions very publicly engaged in unclean and unwholesome conversation. I think Southern Baptists who promote his books are unwise. Yes, this includes Bruce Ware, one of my former pastors.
What is the complaint against Mark Discroll? I am curious. I have listened to a sermon or two, many tid bits of his talks and read an article here and there. He seems very sincere against sin and for the love of Jesus. What am i not seeing or hearing?
As far as I know, Mark Driscoll is not Southern Baptist. Where do we get off condemning him? I don’t recall resolutions condemning Joel Osteen, John Hagee, Benny Hinn, Pat Robertson or TD Jakes. Has there been a resolution condemning the SBC nutcase who is praying for the death of the President? (there might have been. I didn’t hear it).
bill;
dRISCOLL IS SOUTHERN BAPTIST. AND AS FAR S THOSE APOSTATES YOU MENTIONED, I WOULDN’T WASTE MY BREATH ON THEM.
Foltz,
I had no idea that Driscoll was Southern Baptist. Where might I confirm this please?
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I can find nothing on the Mars Hill website that cites an affiliation with the Southern Baptist Convention. That doesn’t mean it isn’t there, but it isn’t readily apparent.
I searched for churches on the SBC website and nothing Driscoll’s church did not come up.
I would say there is a lot of stuff on Lifeway’s shelves that needs to be pulled before any of Driscoll’s stuff. I am personally appalled at his sermon from Song of Solomon where he tried to use the text as an opportunity to advocate certain sex acts. I’m sorry, but what goes on between a man and wife during private moments is just not fit to talk about in public much less from the pulpit. It’s crass in my opinion.
.-= Joe Blackmon´s last blog ..The Shack isn’t that bad. =-.
I think some of this angst is much ado about nothing. It’s important for everyone to remember that thousands of people come to the SBC, and for a number of them, it’s the only chance they have to express their voice or opinion. Sure, some of the motions are out there (o.k., maybe a lot of the motions are out there). But, every now and then, some makes a point worth contemplating. I read and enjoy Driscoll’s books (by the way, Driscoll is not SBC). I don’t always think he is wise in what he says from the pulpit. That doesn’t mean we should boycott him. Likewise, it also doesn’t mean we should bail out of the Convention because someone thinks we should boycott him. It’s unfortunate that we as Southern Baptists tend to have these knee jerk reactions. Maybe we are in a deeper need of refocusing on what’s important more than even we think we are.
Joe, Amen!
Your post on The Shaq is classic.
THE reason the aforementioned people need to stay in the SBC is because the right thing to do is seldom the easy thing to do. I am glad Patterson et al didn’t abandon the SBC when its institutions were clearly in the liberal camp, and it would be cowardly for those of us who want to see the SBC on fire for the gospel and not bogged down in legalism to give up. Time is on our side.
Was it me or was that the same guy who tried to go after Dr. Akin during Southeastern’s report who had made the motion to ban Mark Driscoll’s books the day before?
That guy cited some literature from the Missouri Baptist Layman’s Association as well and it seemed to me that the guy didn’t really know who Mark Driscoll was in the first place.
I was in awe of how effective Dr. Akin took this man apart and did it in such a loving and complete manner.
I wish I could of seen Dr. Akin speak with this guy. I have heard so much about it and yet I missed it!!!
Matt, you can watch online. SBCAnnualMeeting.net
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Have we all forgotten that one of the beauties of the SBC is that all of our churches are autonomous? Since that is the case, we all have the right to voice our opinions and ignore everyone else’s.
The reason we’re all so negative is that the SBC has taken on the roll of “Vatican South” and will not hesitate to tell you the “evil” or “sin” you are associated with if you; Go to public schools , belong to the Masons, participate in Scouting, go to Disnyland, drink Pepsi or coke. The list goes on and should include others I don’t like such as alcohol, cussing , particularly in the pulpit and again on and on. But it is not the job of the SBC or the person on the phone to tell us “his” or “her” opinion or further to suggest that any official opinion of the SBC is thus or so! We dont even have to be told who to vote for or whether to join a Union or not to support our family or whether we as Baptists made one of our biggest mistakes by not taking a part in the Civil Rights Movement. These are all judgements that belong in our Churchs that they understand and can and do handle. Reasonable people can disagree and if a church takes a stand you’re not comfortable with then you can go down the street hopefully to another Baptist Church- but it’s not the PURPOSE of the SBC to tell one side or the other their ALL WET. As an example if WE really intend to be other than a Denomination of the South then some of us had better reconsider our positions on being in a Union as an auto-worker, miner, fireman or policeman, airline pilot,doctor and on and on. As a denomination the SBC has turned more large sections of people away that one Southern Baptist Church or another would like to have as members. Here’s the shortest sentence ; We , NOT GOD, waste more Money in our SBC and related Entities than should ever be allowed. When people see a movement to honestly right these wrongs they will join our Churchs again , and again send in more money as the SBC says it needs. This is bigger than a doctor and his family or some of the children of the connected being able to receive money to go on a missionary trip. Put the authority back in our Churchs where we deal with these problems, don’t talk down to us like we are beneath the station you think your Doctorate entitles you to and don’t “cry” at every hardship and put words into Gods mouth. We messed this up or allowed it to happen and with prayer and honest efforts it can be fixed.
Jack- I finally found what you wrote in the middle of June’s blogs somewhere. So, I don’t know where I made fun of drinking alcohol;but alcoholism has been as close to me as it has to you. We’ve seen the ugly side of where a single beer can lead! And I’ve seen it more than once in my extended family among people who made a good living and they all died in a stuper on a hospital gurney and I was there. I’ve also seen mental illness which is as bad in its own way and can also lead to alcoholism aqnd drug abuse. Maybe if there was some humor it was a “cover” but not intended. The flip side is that there are people that alcohol hasn’t affected —yet. When you speak of sex it makes me wonder if we’ve gotten our signals crossed as I didn’t remark about sex. I’ve seen a make-shift alter with a Bible all of which was strewn about an apartment which was covered in blood from a young person who finally realised he was in trouble having “cooked” the wrong recipe and tried to drink to much of his own blood according to a verse in the bible as he had read it, and was crawling around trying to find the doorknob to get out and get help. No joke! Stories I’ve got but this blog is about another subject. So almost everybody has heard of LIFEWAY. Has anybody heard of HOLMAN Publishing Co, aka BROADMAN & HOLMAN aka now as B & H Publishing Group?
jack, I didn’t see your comments so I didn’t have anything in mind in regard to your posts. I was talking about what I feel is an irresponsible attitude the cussing preacher has to alcohol and sex — two very powerful issues. Several posters joked about drinking as a response to this or that. That was what I was responding to. Again, I agree that anybody has a right to a cavalier attitude toward drinking and sex, as much as I have a right to reject such an attitude.
Since the Bible proohibits, excessive drinking, sex outside of marriage , and
foolish jesting, no one has the right to have a calvalier attitude toward them.
I was speaking about their right as an American, not their right as a believer. I agree wholeheartedly with your point about what God considers acceptable and non-acceptable. I should have been clearer.
The churchs , 84% of which have a Sunday attendance under 200, send their money in to SBC. SBC creates Lifeway with over 100 stores. Then Lifeway is allowed to take over Broadman & Holman Publishing Co. and its holdings who then changes its name to B & H Publishing Group to include their holdings and planned exspansions. I guess nobody is making any money or the SBC wouldn’t be coming to us for even more money – for what ? Expand or buy more businesses , bail the ones out we have or to just continue to do business as usual and send more people on mission trips they think we should pay for. I’m thinking a complete airing of SBC’s assets and obligations is required to better determine EVERYBODYS options. I’m starting to get a little concerned.
I was at the SBC at the time of this post, but thought I would finally comment.
First, any Southern Baptist messenger can present a motion. Probably nine out of ten (or more) of those motions will never be voted on or voted for. Most will be referred to agencies for the trustees to deal with, and maybe brought back next year to the floor for a vote. A rare few get to be voted on immediately (like the one on the GCR committee). So don’t get too upset about a motion presented; it usually means very little. When a motion is passed and implemented – then you can get upset.
Second, Baptists are and have been against beverage alcohol for a lot of good reasons. Get used to it. They have been at least since the 1880s. They have passed numerous resolutions against alcohol. You can find the resolutions against drinking at sbc.net. I’ve found that many unsaved folks respect us for our convictions on this issue; for they know the incredible damage and heartache it causes.
David R. Brumbelow
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