Comments on: Should We Change Our Name? http://sbcvoices.com/should-we-change-our-name/ Southern Baptist News & Opinion Wed, 08 Feb 2012 06:29:18 +0000 hourly 1 By: Dr. James Willingham http://sbcvoices.com/should-we-change-our-name/#comment-3873 Dr. James Willingham Sun, 21 Jun 2009 03:02:33 +0000 http://sbcvoices.com/?p=415#comment-3873 ANOTHER THING WE NEED TO KNOW IS THE NATURE OF THE PEOPLE WHO RUN AFFAIRS IN THIS WORLD AND WHAT BELIEFS THEY WANT PROMOTED. SUGGEST EVERYONE SHOULD READ CARROLL QUIGLEY'S TRAGEDY & HOPE AND THE BELIEFS THAT THE PEOPLE WHO RUN THE WORLD AND THE BELIEFS THEY OPPOSE. QUIGLEY'S 1400 PAGES WILL BE DULL READING UNTIL YOU COME TO THE PART ABOUT THE CONSPIRACY. (NY: MACMILLAN HOUSE, 1965) & HIS THE ANGLO AMERICAN ESTABLISHMENT.(SEE LAST WILL & TESTAMEN OF ONE OF THE CONPIRATORS - WHO IS, BY THE WAY, NAMED BY C.S. LEWIS IN HIS THAT HIDEOUS STRENGTH). WHO WAS MR. QUIGLEY? MR. CLINTON'S PROFESSOR & MENTOR AT GEORGETOWN, WHO RECOMMENDED HIM FOR THE RHODES SCHOLARSHIP. THESE PEOPLE INTEND TO CONTROL & DO JUST ABOUT EVERYTHING GOING, INCLUDING THE SBC FOR MANY YRS., & THEY WILL EXERCISE SOME CONTROL EVEN IN THE NEW MILIEU. POWER IS THE NAME OF THE GAME. MR. LEWIS TOLD HOW IT WOULD BE OVER COME IN THAT HIDEOUS STRENGTH. HE DID NOT KNOW HE EAS DESCRIBING A GREAT AWAKENING, WHEN HE SAID, "THEY PULL DOWN DEEP HEAVEN." .-= Dr. James Willingham´s last blog ..<a href="http://thirdgreatawakeningcom.blogspot.com/2009/02/climax-of-reformation.html" rel="nofollow">The Climax of the Reformation</a> =-. ANOTHER THING WE NEED TO KNOW IS THE NATURE OF THE PEOPLE WHO RUN AFFAIRS IN THIS WORLD AND WHAT BELIEFS THEY WANT PROMOTED. SUGGEST EVERYONE SHOULD READ CARROLL QUIGLEY’S TRAGEDY & HOPE AND THE BELIEFS THAT THE PEOPLE WHO RUN THE WORLD AND THE BELIEFS THEY OPPOSE. QUIGLEY’S 1400 PAGES WILL BE DULL READING UNTIL YOU COME TO THE PART ABOUT THE CONSPIRACY. (NY: MACMILLAN HOUSE, 1965) & HIS THE ANGLO AMERICAN ESTABLISHMENT.(SEE LAST WILL & TESTAMEN OF ONE OF THE CONPIRATORS – WHO IS, BY THE WAY, NAMED BY C.S. LEWIS IN HIS THAT HIDEOUS STRENGTH). WHO WAS MR. QUIGLEY? MR. CLINTON’S PROFESSOR & MENTOR AT GEORGETOWN, WHO RECOMMENDED HIM FOR THE RHODES SCHOLARSHIP. THESE PEOPLE INTEND TO CONTROL & DO JUST ABOUT EVERYTHING GOING, INCLUDING THE SBC FOR MANY YRS., & THEY WILL EXERCISE SOME CONTROL EVEN IN THE NEW MILIEU. POWER IS THE NAME OF THE GAME. MR. LEWIS TOLD HOW IT WOULD BE OVER COME IN THAT HIDEOUS STRENGTH. HE DID NOT KNOW HE EAS DESCRIBING A GREAT AWAKENING, WHEN HE SAID, “THEY PULL DOWN DEEP HEAVEN.”
.-= Dr. James Willingham´s last blog ..The Climax of the Reformation =-.

]]> By: Dr. James Willingham http://sbcvoices.com/should-we-change-our-name/#comment-2889 Dr. James Willingham Sun, 26 Apr 2009 03:09:04 +0000 http://sbcvoices.com/?p=415#comment-2889 I prefer the name we have. Of course, we could call it the Sweet Baptist Convntion in contradiction to the Sour Baptist Convention. It is hard to be a southerner these days. I was raised on Lee and Jackson and the South without ever having been around African Americans. I also did not know about Boyce, Broadus, and the other great Southern Baptists who all made mistakes along with their successes. But I never dreamed that I would become a Black Historian (the proper term today would be African American Historian - I almost have a Ph.D. in that area of studies and I did do my D. Min. on Christian Love and Race Relations). I also never dreamed that I would be a Baptist Historian - though I have never written much in either African American or Black History (a prospectus for a Doctoral Dissertation at Columbia Univ. and the D. Min Project) and in Baptist History (an M.A. thesis in Amercan Social & Intellectual History, articles in a few Baptist papers, an article, a play, and an address. O yes, some Book Reviews). What I have been doing for 51 years is thinking about the Chrstian experience and the word of God (living and written) and the truths taught. The result has been a deepening appreciation for what God has done through Baptists (along with other believers) and through our nation (along with others). Actually, what we need to do is just simply to live out what God has done in and to us. We have the means at our disposal to become balanced, flexible, creative, and magnetic witnesses to the transforming power of Christ. In short, mature people. The Pilgrims set us a wonderful example, when they said that they were willing to be stepping stones for others to advance the cause of Christ. I know that I feel distinctly humbled, when I think of their attitude which was fulfilled. Does any one know where Adoniram Judson's father served as pastor, when he was growing up? I think it was Plymouth. Through Judson along with others would come the great call to missions. Ironic to think of Judson's father serving in that town where the Pilgrims had expressed such devotion. As sorry as Southern Baptists have been at times, yet out of such poor failing human beings has come the largest and most enthusiastic mission force in the world up to the present moment. Two-three years ago I was a member of the church where the first missionary of Southern Baptists to China was saved and called, we received request from China to send a representative for a memorial service for Yates in that land. Yates went to China and lived like the Chinese. He won their respect to the extent that over a hundred years after his death they wanted to honor him in a memorial service. I felt exceedingly humbled by that man's example, especially in view of the times and the situation in which he lived and served. <abbr><em><abbr><em>Dr. James Willinghams last blog post..<a href="http://thirdgreatawakeningcom.blogspot.com/2009/02/climax-of-reformation.html" rel="nofollow">The Climax of the Reformation</a></em></abbr></abbr></em> I prefer the name we have. Of course, we could call it the Sweet Baptist Convntion in contradiction to the Sour Baptist Convention. It is hard to be a southerner these days. I was raised on Lee and Jackson and the South without ever having been around African Americans. I also did not know about Boyce, Broadus, and the other great Southern Baptists who all made mistakes along with their successes. But I never dreamed that I would become a Black Historian (the proper term today would be African American Historian – I almost have a Ph.D. in that area of studies and I did do my D. Min. on Christian Love and Race Relations). I also never dreamed that I would be a Baptist Historian – though I have never written much in either African American or Black History (a prospectus for a Doctoral Dissertation at Columbia Univ. and the D. Min Project) and in Baptist History (an M.A. thesis in Amercan Social & Intellectual History, articles in a few Baptist papers, an article, a play, and an address. O yes, some Book Reviews). What I have been doing for 51 years is thinking about the Chrstian experience and the word of God (living and written) and the truths taught. The result has been a deepening appreciation for what God has done through Baptists (along with other believers) and through our nation (along with others). Actually, what we need to do is just simply to live out what God has done in and to us. We have the means at our disposal to become balanced, flexible, creative, and magnetic witnesses to the transforming power of Christ. In short, mature people. The Pilgrims set us a wonderful example, when they said that they were willing to be stepping stones for others to advance the cause of Christ. I know that I feel distinctly humbled, when I think of their attitude which was fulfilled. Does any one know where Adoniram Judson’s father served as pastor, when he was growing up? I think it was Plymouth. Through Judson along with others would come the great call to missions. Ironic to think of Judson’s father serving in that town where the Pilgrims had expressed such devotion. As sorry as Southern Baptists have been at times, yet out of such poor failing human beings has come the largest and most enthusiastic mission force in the world up to the present moment. Two-three years ago I was a member of the church where the first missionary of Southern Baptists to China was saved and called, we received request from China to send a representative for a memorial service for Yates in that land. Yates went to China and lived like the Chinese. He won their respect to the extent that over a hundred years after his death they wanted to honor him in a memorial service. I felt exceedingly humbled by that man’s example, especially in view of the times and the situation in which he lived and served.

Dr. James Willinghams last blog post..The Climax of the Reformation

]]> By: How much influence do I have? | Southern Baptist Blogs - SBC Voices http://sbcvoices.com/should-we-change-our-name/#comment-2843 How much influence do I have? | Southern Baptist Blogs - SBC Voices Wed, 22 Apr 2009 22:12:56 +0000 http://sbcvoices.com/?p=415#comment-2843 [...] remember a post I wrote asking if the Southern Baptist Convention should change it’s name,  Should We Change Our Name?.  In the article I said I thought we should and then stated multiple reasons as to [...] [...] remember a post I wrote asking if the Southern Baptist Convention should change it’s name,  Should We Change Our Name?.  In the article I said I thought we should and then stated multiple reasons as to [...]

]]> By: Should the SBC Change its Name??? | MinistryPlace.Net http://sbcvoices.com/should-we-change-our-name/#comment-1578 Should the SBC Change its Name??? | MinistryPlace.Net Thu, 05 Feb 2009 18:04:09 +0000 http://sbcvoices.com/?p=415#comment-1578 [...] Link: [SBC Voices] [...] [...] Link: [SBC Voices] [...]

]]> By: Acts 29 vs. the SBC (One Year Later) | Southern Baptist Blogs - SBC Voices http://sbcvoices.com/should-we-change-our-name/#comment-1305 Acts 29 vs. the SBC (One Year Later) | Southern Baptist Blogs - SBC Voices Fri, 23 Jan 2009 18:57:41 +0000 http://sbcvoices.com/?p=415#comment-1305 [...] the culture of the Old South to the four corners of the United States and beyond.  Awhile back the question was raised about whether having ‘Southern’ in our name hinders our work outside of the South, but [...] [...] the culture of the Old South to the four corners of the United States and beyond.  Awhile back the question was raised about whether having ‘Southern’ in our name hinders our work outside of the South, but [...]

]]> By: John http://sbcvoices.com/should-we-change-our-name/#comment-873 John Wed, 17 Dec 2008 04:57:39 +0000 http://sbcvoices.com/?p=415#comment-873 A discussion has recently emerged at my church about a name change (interestingly enough, it is an SBC church in Indiana that includes the word "southern" in the church name, as some others have discussed). We were discussing the reasons for this as primarily Biblical, not marketing strategy. Our church is seeing a resurgence of discipleship and conversion growth - in Scripture, God's work of radical change in the lives of individuals was often marked by a change in their name (primarily, Paul, once Saul). If the SBC should change its name, it should be to point to renewal and new life in our mission and conduct. The recent (past 15 years or so) movement within the Convention to rely upon the authority of Scripture and affirm theological conservatism is a great reason for us to change the name to represent this renewal of affirmation of Scriptural truth by our denomination. However, a name change that represents new life in our denomination has to be accompanied by a continued commitment to the principles that ignited and sustain that renewal. A discussion has recently emerged at my church about a name change (interestingly enough, it is an SBC church in Indiana that includes the word “southern” in the church name, as some others have discussed). We were discussing the reasons for this as primarily Biblical, not marketing strategy. Our church is seeing a resurgence of discipleship and conversion growth – in Scripture, God’s work of radical change in the lives of individuals was often marked by a change in their name (primarily, Paul, once Saul). If the SBC should change its name, it should be to point to renewal and new life in our mission and conduct. The recent (past 15 years or so) movement within the Convention to rely upon the authority of Scripture and affirm theological conservatism is a great reason for us to change the name to represent this renewal of affirmation of Scriptural truth by our denomination. However, a name change that represents new life in our denomination has to be accompanied by a continued commitment to the principles that ignited and sustain that renewal.

]]> By: Thomas Twitchell http://sbcvoices.com/should-we-change-our-name/#comment-865 Thomas Twitchell Tue, 16 Dec 2008 02:10:25 +0000 http://sbcvoices.com/?p=415#comment-865 MOE-Mother Of Emergents HIYWAY B- Have It Your Way Baby MRPIB- Majoritarian Ruled Perpetual Infant Believers NAIBOB- New And Improved Band O' Boy WFS- Wayfarrin Strangers MMM- Many Members Missing WWW. PNR- We Were Wonce Protestants Not Romanists MOE-Mother Of Emergents

HIYWAY B- Have It Your Way Baby

MRPIB- Majoritarian Ruled Perpetual Infant Believers

NAIBOB- New And Improved Band O’ Boy

WFS- Wayfarrin Strangers

MMM- Many Members Missing

WWW. PNR- We Were Wonce Protestants Not Romanists

]]> By: Scott http://sbcvoices.com/should-we-change-our-name/#comment-864 Scott Mon, 15 Dec 2008 11:41:44 +0000 http://sbcvoices.com/?p=415#comment-864 Changing the name would be fine. It would provide a fresh front to the secular world. But it would only be a band-aid without the change on the inside. Folks don't scoff at the name but rather what the name represents. To them Southern Baptists are mean spirited, egotistical, hypocritical, don't-practice-what-they-preach stuffed shirts. <abbr><em><abbr><em>Scotts last blog post..<a href="http://hebrews1019-20.blogspot.com/2008/12/jesus-light-of-world.html" rel="nofollow">Jesus, Light of the World</a></em></abbr></abbr></em> Changing the name would be fine. It would provide a fresh front to the secular world. But it would only be a band-aid without the change on the inside.

Folks don’t scoff at the name but rather what the name represents. To them Southern Baptists are mean spirited, egotistical, hypocritical, don’t-practice-what-they-preach stuffed shirts.

Scotts last blog post..Jesus, Light of the World

]]> By: mike http://sbcvoices.com/should-we-change-our-name/#comment-863 mike Mon, 15 Dec 2008 05:49:20 +0000 http://sbcvoices.com/?p=415#comment-863 bill, i like evangelical baptist convention too, maybe even evangelical baptist partnership better! one of those is probably my first choice still, i'm double-thinking "evangelical" in the title because it has a weird connotation for outsiders. i'm one of the few evangelicals in the school program i'm in and most of my classmates think "evangelical" means you want a christian president, to make all the public schools christian, to legislate christian morals like "no alcohol," and other more political things. thinking of a new name is tough! <abbr><em><abbr><em>mikes last blog post..<a href="http://foxswanderings.blogspot.com/2008/12/taking-my-recycling-up-notch.html" rel="nofollow">taking my recycling up a notch</a></em></abbr></abbr></em> bill,

i like evangelical baptist convention too, maybe even evangelical baptist partnership better! one of those is probably my first choice

still, i’m double-thinking “evangelical” in the title because it has a weird connotation for outsiders. i’m one of the few evangelicals in the school program i’m in and most of my classmates think “evangelical” means you want a christian president, to make all the public schools christian, to legislate christian morals like “no alcohol,” and other more political things.

thinking of a new name is tough!

mikes last blog post..taking my recycling up a notch

]]> By: Bill http://sbcvoices.com/should-we-change-our-name/#comment-862 Bill Mon, 15 Dec 2008 01:30:12 +0000 http://sbcvoices.com/?p=415#comment-862 I have heard many people suggest Evangelical Baptist Covention and I like it. It retains our Baptist heritage... It retains the fact that we unite as a denomination for missions... and it rightly recognizes that we are evangelicals. Many of the new Baptist Identity folks we complain but i think it is time for a name change and Evangelical Baptist Convention is the best I've heard. I have heard many people suggest Evangelical Baptist Covention and I like it. It retains our Baptist heritage… It retains the fact that we unite as a denomination for missions… and it rightly recognizes that we are evangelicals. Many of the new Baptist Identity folks we complain but i think it is time for a name change and Evangelical Baptist Convention is the best I’ve heard.

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