“The Lord has established His throne in Heaven and His kingdom rules over all.”
Psalm 103:19
The good news is, on November 7, 2012, God will still be God and His kingdom will still rule over all. The bad news is…come November 7, this country will have either reelected a man and in effect endorsed a platform that affirms same-sex marriage or will have elected a President who for the first time in American history ascribes to a “Bible” that teaches that “blackness of skin” is a curse. Consequently, I find both candidates totally unacceptable. Whoever wins on November 6, I will accept as the appointment of the Sovereign God, pray for that individual, hold in high regard the office that they hold and consequently deeply respect the man in the office—no matter which candidate it is (Romans 13:1).
To set the record straight, I have never told the congregation, that I’m privileged to pastor, not to vote. I never reported that to Rachel Zoll, the Associated Press reporter, who interviewed me on this subject. I did say to Rachel Zoll (Associated Press) that I do not plan to vote for the Office of the President. I will vote down line. But I cannot with a clear conscience cast a ballot for President Obama or Governor Romney given their beliefs that are diametrically in opposition to the inerrant and infallible Word of God. I will vote down line in the early voting and literally plan to go fishing on Election Day. I told the Cornerstone congregation that I would respect whatever decision they made regarding voting. But as for me and my house, to vote in favor of President Obama is to violate Romans 1:32, that declares you cannot approve of those who approve of homosexuality. In my personal opinion, to vote for Mitt Romney, given the unrepentant, unapologetic racist views of the Mormon “Bibles”—as a Black man—would be like a chicken voting for Col. Sanders. Therefore, I choose to vote for neither. But if either publically changed their minds before November 6, I will change my mind and vote for one of them.
There will be those who will consider me a one-issue voter to which I will plead guilty. Major decisions are often made on major matters based on one-issue. People are hired and fired sometimes based on one-issue. People have surgeries based on one-issue. People marry and divorce over one-issue. People were enslaved based on one-issue.
This article was originally posted at Pastor McKissic’s personal blog.
President Obama has endorsed changing five-thousand years of marital history in every civilized country of the world based on—one issue: “Marriage equality” as he labels it. Same-sex marriage is not marriage equality, it is moral insanity. Governor Mitt Romney was given an opportunity by Tim Russert in 2008 to distance himself from the history and teaching of the Mormon Church over one issue: The Mormon “Bible” verses that teach Black people are “loathsome,” “despised” and “cursed.” The Mormon Church would not allow my sister to enter into certain parts of the Mormon Tabernacle in Salt Lake City, Utah, several years ago, while allowing her Anglo colleagues to enter part of the Tabernacle she was forbidden to enter, over one issue: Her “Black” skin color. Pleeeze, don’t tell me I cannot vote over—one issue. The Mormons have never recanted of the racist teachings in their Bibles—“The Pearl of Great Price,” The Book of Mormons, Doctrines and Covenants.
At the end of the day my hope is not in Barack Obama or Mitt Romney. “My hope is built on nothing less than Jesus’ blood and righteousness. I dare not trust the sweetest frame, but wholly lean on Jesus Name. On Christ the solid rock I stand, all other ground is sinking sand.”
America went to war with Afghanistan over one issue. Appellant judges have overturned lower court judges over—one issue. To vote for Romney, I would have to violate my race and my right mind. To vote for Obama, I would have to violate my conscience, convictions and faith. I can do neither. My conscience is captive to the Word of God. To violate conscience is neither right nor safe. “God help me, here I stand.” Thus said Martin Luther, and I agree.
Pastor McKissic does a good job of speaking for my personal dilemma in this presidential election. I cannot support either candidate with a clear conscious. If I am able to vote for Paul Ryan without voting for Mitt Romney I will, but I will not vote for Governor Romney. And I also will vote further down the ballot for other offices in this election. Among my concerns is that strong evangelical support of Romney will appear to the world that Evangelical Christians are endorsing a Mormon candidate and thus the Mormon religion as a part of the larger Christian community.… Read more »
Obama invalidated himself with his stance on abortion. His stance on homosexuality has only deepened his disqualification. I’m not particularly happy with Romney’s own abortion stance due to his rape exception, but I see no reason to believe that Romney is racist or views any particular skin color as being a curse. I’ll cringe a bit when I vote for him, but will vote for him all the same.
Chris,
Do you believe Romney should disavow his racist Bible? Are you comfortable voting for a man whose Bible teaches that Blacks are cursed?
Does Romney’s stand on the poor and the “47 per cent” that he really doesn’t care about invalidate him?
Dwight
Dwight,
“the “47 per cent” that he really doesn’t care about”
That is not what he said in context.
Dwight,
I think Romney’s recently released comments were rather accurate (if perhaps hyperbolic), so I don’t have a problem with them. As for the Mormon text, I’m more interested in what Romney himself says and believes about race.
Chris,
If you believe his statement was accurate that explains the huge dichotomy between the National Baptist Convention and the SBC. If I were a betting man, I would be willing to bet that not one NBC pastor would believe Romney’s comments were accurate. I will go a step further. I don’t believe that you will find one Black SBC pastor who believe Romney’s comments are accurate. An interesting study would be: why is there a huge disconnect between what White pastors and Black pastors believe about the accuracy of Romney’s remarks. However, I respect your right to your beliefs.
Chris: Romney is a politician who wants to win. Do you really think he is going to be honest(ever) about his true belief. The Mormon book teaches that blacks are a curse. I think you know just from advertisements if nothing else how a Mormon views the book of Mormon. Come on now.
Debbie,
I’ve known a handful of Mormons who were not politicians. Never knew one of them to be racist.
I actually thought the Mormon “church” had repudiated that stance, but I may be wrong. Actually, I believe Mitt Romney is a decent family man, as is Barak Obama. I also believe that (1) Romney knows very, VERY little about how average working people, those (like me) who live payday to payday, live. And (2) I think he wants to be President so much that he is willing to espouse virtually any position that he thinks will get him the most votes. Hence he was a Teddy Kennedy liberal when he ran against Kennedy for senate in Mass. way back… Read more »
Chris, Romney’s comments on the 47 percent were complete inaccurate. They were an outright falsehood and the conclusions and applications he draws from them are appalling and are in no way the Conservative position on the size of government, dependency, poverty, or social programs. We aren’t even talking about the Church. His views are not even Conservative views. Here are the facts on the 47% from the National Review, The Freeloader Myth by Romesh Ponnuru: http://www.nationalreview.com/blogs/print/283265
But Chris, he’s a Mormon so that PROVES he’s racist.
(Man, someone needs to come up with a sarcasm font, srsly)
Joe,
Would you please answer the question: do you believe Romney should disavow his racist Bible? Should the Mormon Church publicly apologize for not allowing Blacks to enter certain parts of the Mormon Tabernacle–even while their Anglo colleagues(while all are touring together are allowed access), but the Black person is told to wait outside?
I don’t expect him to comment on anything related to the Mormon church whatsoever.
I do think the Mormon church ought to address that because I find any church that teaches or has taught that black people are cursed to be repugnant.
Really hoping your “beloved president” loses this November. But what I wish more is that a 3rd party or write in candidate was an actual option since I don’t have any real interest in voting for Romney but I’m going to vote against Obama.
Dwight, What if someone asked you to “disavow” the Old TEstament because of its violence (dash babies heads against the stone) or its polygamy (David’s many wives)? This charge is raised often by those “hostile” (as you are with Romney) to the Christian faith. There is of course an answer to this that defends the O.T. The Mormon’s also have a polemic to deal with this issue. While I do not agree with the Mormon church’s doctrine or polemics, I do not think it is altogether fair for you to accuse Romney or the Mormon church with being racist —… Read more »
Frank L.
If someone ask me to disavow the OT because of the passages that you referenced, I would take them to Romans 15: 4 and show them that the OT is “for our learning,”and then show them what we can learn from those passages. I would also show them the NT principles corresponding to those passages and make a beeline to the gospel message and show them Jesus. Thanks for asking.
Dwight,
And, after several discussions with Mormon scholars, they would give a similar answer concerning the issue of blacks in their church, though of course not with the same authority we have as believers.
I mentioned that you could answer the question with a polemical interpretation. That was my point–so do MOrmons. Therefore, it is not fair for you to use a tactic to defend your faith and deny others that same right.
That was my point.
Frank L., There is no possible interpretation that a Mormon “schloar” could give me that would be satisfactory, sensible, and aligned with or affirmed in our Bible, that I could or would accept. I was on the phone today with a Black Mormon quite learned in their text(s). He attempted to do the very thing you mentioned. He tried to use the words “black..skin” in Lamentations 5: 10 and equate or parallel that text and a passage in Job with the Mormon racist text. Nice try on his part. But the difference in the use of the words “black…skin” in… Read more »
Dwight,
I do appreciate the courage you have shown here in this conversation. I must admit that I disagree with you, but you’ve stuck to your guns and I respect that immensely. That being said, you don’t need my approval or anyone else’s only God’s.
Dwight, Either you are not understanding my argument or purposely choose to misunderstand it to further your conclusion. I’ve never suggested that a Mormon could offer a Biblically sound interpretation for their views. I said the exact opposite–I think at least twice. For one, your learned Black Mormon did not give the answer that a Mormon scholar gives–at least not the ones I’ve spoken with. Just as you claim the troublesome texts of the O.T. are part of a “learning time” (your words), the Mormon scholar would give a similar answer to the texts to which you want to pin… Read more »
Debbie,
To answer your question it banned partial birth abortion and if it keeps just one infant from being partially born and having their brains sucked out, I would say that’s a heck of a lot. Sorry but I just disagree with you on this one.
Frank L., The difference is that as Christians, we would say that the Old Testament is not our standard. One might say it was superceded by the New, another that it was a further revelation, still another that it was a different dispensation, but all would agree that exegetical gymnastics are unnecessary to cover it up. To Mormons, the Book of Mormon is the supreme revelation of God, and other forms, including the Pearl of Great Price. The Book of Covenants, and our Bible are lesser revelations, true only so far as they do not contradict the Book of Mormon.… Read more »
Of course each of us has his or her own reasons of conscience on these matters. I respect Dwight’s decision.
I also agree with Chris though. I am firmly anti-abortion and could never vote for Obama if for no other reason, though there are many reasons I would not vote for him. He is an all around disaster of a president. I owe Jimmy Carter an apology for ever saying that he was the worst president ever.
I’ll cringe a bit but will cast my vote for Romney. I have no reason to think he is a racist.
I too will hold my nose and vote for Romney. It’s isn’t so much a vote FOR Romney as it is AGAINST Obama.
As citizens of what was once a most blessed country, if we stand back and do nothing, we will get what we deserve.
James White has some good teachings on this at AOMIN.
When Jesus endorsed government as God-given do you think He was unaware that we will be confronted with alternatives that we dislike? To vote for the lesser of two evils is to vote to lessen evil. Merely walking away is a cop out and you will deserve the government you get.
Walt,
To vote for the lesser of two evils is to still vote for evil.
Dwight
The only alternative would be to almost always abstain from voting.
Sometimes the alternative route is the best route. This, I believe, is one of those times.
Dwight
Sometimes it is just a detour to a dead end.
So your “strategy” is to enable the greater evil to triumph by doing nothing to resist it?
I am perfectly willing to trust the sovereignty of God in this decision, and to be at peace with the outcome.
What will you say to Christ at the Judgment about failing to oppose the slaughter of the innocent unborn when you had the ability to do so?
Walt,
When did I fail to oppose the slaughter of the innocent unborn? If you are implying that to not vote is doing this, you have just provided me with the best example of hyperbole that I’ve ever seen. I strongly oppose abortion, and have done so since the early days of my ministry.
Dwight
So, oppose the candidate that supports this abomination.
Walt, I suspect Christ will say the same thing to Dwight that he will say to you after you vote for Romney and Romney proceeds to do what every other Republican President has done since Roe v Wade regarding abortion – nothing. It doesn’t matter where they “stand” on the issue if their “stand” proves to have no “legs.”
Paul,
I’m personally sick of seeing comments like this because they are patently false. I suppose the partial birth abortion ban equals nothing in your estimation?
Dwight,
Would you then agree that God is equally sovereign to use people to accomplish the task of putting in office the person God wants?
I do not think you are necessarily taking the high road by not voting for one of the choices anymore than the person voting is taking the high road.
I don’t think you can claim exclusive rights to God’s sovereignty in supporting your position.
John, yes, virtually nothing. That law bans a particular procedure. Just look up the Wikipedia article on the subject and read the final paragraph. Those who would perform that “procedure” are more than willing and able to find ways around violating the law while accomplishing the intended goal.
Paul,
Just because the abortionists find ways around the law doesn’t mean that nothing has been done about abortion. Also, I am aware that it only bans a particular procedure, I would suppose that is why it’s called the partial birth abortion ban. Further, if even one life is saved by that ban I would suggest that characterizing that as virtually nothing is a little calloused.
John: Is abortion still legal or isn’t it? What exactly did the partial abortion ban do? Not a whole heck of a lot.
So call me calloused John. I’ll take the label. I have broad shoulders but facts are facts. Do some research on how this has changed. What has changed abortion has not been politics, but people doing leg work and hospitals who refuse to do abortions which there are several. I worked for one for four years.
Debbie,
If it weren’t for republicans there would be no hospitals with the right to refuse abortions.
I will gladly, with a completely clear conscience, vote against your “beloved president”. Besides, Romney being a Mormon doesn’t prove he’s a racist. And simply because he doesn’t repudiate something written in a mormon “scripture” also doesn’t mean he’s a racist. He may not care. He may figure that intelligent, reasonable human beings knkow something like that is pure garbage. Point to one racist statement he’s made. (crickets chirp) Funny, most of the people I’ve heard advocate not voting for Romney are people who are strong supporters of “economic and social justice” (i.e. federal entitlement programs). Hmm, wonder if there’s… Read more »
I appreciate greatly how Les began his comment, McKissic has thoughfully made a decision based on conviction and to degrade his decision is reactionary and unloving. The apostle James tells us to judge our brother in a critical and slanderous way is to not only judge him but to judge the law. Whether you agree with McKissic’s conclusions or not, to chastise him for his convictions on what a disputable matter is an unChristian response. While I understand the fear and depth of emotion surrounding the issue, we cannot belittle a brother in Christ over a matter of conscience. If… Read more »
I don’t usually speak about politics, but I don’t believe Romney’s magic underwear will get him a win in November. If he could just keep his mouth shut he would stand a better chance.
Thank you Mr McKissic, You stated much of my position in your article. It has been interesting to see some Christian leaders do theological gymnastics trying to ok voting for a cult member whose cult diametrically opposes God. The pastor of 1st Baptist Dallas being one of those. Search YouTube for Dr. Jefferies and two contradicting You-tubes will say enough. The DNC already has proven in the last election that most dems will vote for anybody they put up; case in point a candidate for the highest position in the US with no real business experience, no foreign policy experience… Read more »
Some things are just funny and can’t be denied as such.
In the comment thread of a post written by Dwight McKissic about a presidential candidate who is part of a religious group whose guide book contains racist ideologies, Alan Davis quotes Robert E. Lee.
Now, that is just funny and can only happen in the Baptist Blog World.
Hey CB, Yes I quoted R.E. Lee. Lee freed all his slaves before the emancipation (out of conviction) and saw that each slave received training to make it in the world. On numerous occasions he pleaded privately with Jefferson Davis to free the slaves in the south but to no avail. Lee wrote numerous correspondence with influential leaders in the South to emancipate the slaves and to give training for success in the work world. To point out as a side note of the integrity of General Lee he also issued general order #53 which ordered all men under his… Read more »
Alan Davis,
I do not doubt the Christian character of Robert E. Lee, not that of many members of his family. I am familiar, believe me.
My point was that it was funny that you quoted him in this specific thread due to content. And it was…..funny, that is. And anyone with any sense of humor whatsoever who does not determine all things from a “politically correct” perspective will have to admit it was/is funny.
True CB, I actually had not thought of it till you pointed it out.
Alan
Dwight, Alan, C. B., others, I know this is off topic, but since Alan and C. B. at least, referenced it, I have a question. Not trying to start an argument, just want your opinions. 1. Is it OK today in the modern day American Christian world to quote men like Robert E. Lee, Stonewall Jackson, etc.? This means to quote them in sermons and writing. (For those who skipped history class, these were Confederate or Southern leaders in the Civil War.) 2. Is it ok to quote them if you also quote men like Abraham Lincoln, U. S. Grant,… Read more »
David, Your comment/question(#47) is very insightful, and reflects your heart to be sensitive to a diverse audience. The persons that you mentioned who were Confederates can and should be quoted, as you deem that they are saying something quote-worthy. You are correct in my judgement: when they are quoted, you either have to acknowledge the value of his quote, while acknowledging the tremendously poor judgement displayed as being a slaveholder and Confederate, or often quote persons such as the ones you mentioned(Douglas and Grant) to either counterbalance the comments of the Confederates, or demonstrate a similar appreciation for persons opposite… Read more »
David R. Brumbelow, When I was a pagan, I often quoted U.S. Grant, especially is describing an enemy. His descriptions of enemies or people he did not like were, shall we say, colorful. Upon becoming a follower of Christ, I did begin to quote men like Lee and Jackson, men of deep faith and conviction. Come to think of it, when I was lost, I also quoted Longstreet rather often. He also, was “colorful.” Seriously, I can see no wrong in quoting Lee and Jackson when talking about faith in Christ. True history records both men as very devoted to… Read more »
I would agree we should be aware of some sensitivity. However I have no problem quoting men from the South. Also have no problem quoting men from the North. Have done so from both, just try to be careful to use men with known faith in Christ.
Alan Davis
Thanks for your replies.
Someday maybe we will have a book of quotes by C. B.
David R. Brumbelow
Alan,
If I were calling a pastor for my church, neither candidate would get my vote. Fortunately, we are presented with a decision of less significance and it carries a less stringent criteria for qualification. I would much prefer a president who shared my religious beliefs, but that option only shows up on very rare occasions (and was pretty much entirely missing this primary cycle). Since I am not asking the president to teach me Sunday school, I am satisfied (though not necessarily content) with voting for a non-Christian.
Chris, I am not naive enough to believe we are voting for a pastor here. I do believe we are voting for more than a man. If we (we being born again Christians) vote wholesale for whoever the RNC puts up (this time an open cult member) then the leaders of the RNC will assume like the leaders of the DNC that no matter what the Christians will vote for whoever we put on the ballot. I agree that there MAY be less abortions with the Romney camp. I also agree that marriage MAY retain some of it’s God given… Read more »
Chris,
I didn’t say in that long boring post of mine; I hear you brother, and I have many Christian brothers around me saying the same thing and I respect that. I didn’t want you to think I wasn’t and hadn’t considered that and in some ways torn on those thoughts.
Alan Davis
“”””To set the record straight, I have never told the congregation, that I’m privileged to pastor, not to vote. “””” Dwight, isn’t this a bit disingenuous? If you tell your congregation, which you lead, that you cannot, and will not vote for either candidate because it would violate your conscience, have you not made a statement as to what is “right and what is wrong?” It seems you are only parsing words in denying you told your congregation how to vote. That type of political double talk has become the standard fare for politicians. I would think we’d want to… Read more »
Frank,
I have simply expressed my convictions. When I preached on this subject I stressed to the congregation that they would have to prayerfully study this matter and reached their own conclusions. The AP wanted the story to be that Black pastors were encouraging their congregations not to vote, so they made that the story.
Dwight,
By sharing your convictions as a matter of Christian conviction and not simply personal conviction, by sharing this conviction with your church from the pulpit, and by then charging them to make a decision, you are doing more than simply expressing your convictions in the same way that Joshua 24:15 is more than a personal expression of conviction.
Chris,
That is one way to look at it. However, this is not the way I look at it. I think I follow your logic though.
Dwight, My Texas Longhorn brother, I was down your way shortly ago, but lacked the time to pay you a visit. Next trip for sure. Dwight, I think your answer may be found in the “lyrics” of one of our old songs from back when we were young and hung out together in San Francisco with flowers in our hair and hitch-hiked a ride in a Mayflower Moving Truck to New York state and went to Woodstock and then sang this song all the way back to Fort Worth herding cattle for Wendy’s Hamburgers. Remember. It went like this: VOTE… Read more »
CB,
LOL
Dwight
Dwight,
I must confess that this presidential election is a hard drink to swallow.
I have come to the conclusion, as have you, that this is a “one issue” presidential election.
I am going to vote for the possibility of “lessening” the murder of infants in the womb rather than the “assurance” of murdering more infants in the womb.
I would challenge you to give that idea some consideration.
CB,
There are a bunch of Black pastors upset with me because of my “going fishing” position on election day. I may need you to train me in martial arts and self protection if things don’t cool down. Please let me have my bar-b-que man prepare you the most delightful meal you can get inthis part of Texas, next time you’re here.
Dwight
Dwight McKissic,
Why not just hire me at half my former rate to provide security? I am old, half blind, slow of hand and foot now, but I can still give a mean stare down. Maybe that will at least get you through the November elections.
On a serious note, did I tell you that one of my sons is now serving on the presidential security unit?
CB,
Proud of your son. He’s making history too.
Dwight
“All that is required for evil to prevail if for good men to do nothing.” To sit this one out could tip the scales toward Obama and as a direct result to see the country fully embrace gay marriage and further support for abortion. There is little danger of the country going back to Jim Crow (even if Romney were a racist and he’s not), but there is a huge danger that we will see an even more aggressive promotion for gay rights, taxpayer funded abortion and economic polices that lead to dependence and decline. Everyone should vote (or not… Read more »
Steve ,
My Republican friends say that to not vote is a vote for Obama, and my Democrat friends say that to not vote is a vote for Romney. It is my objective to not in anywise help or hurt either campaign. Since my total trust is in Christ and His Kingdom for all of my needs–and I see both candidates as fundamentally flawed–my inclination is simply to vote for neither.
Meanwhile we have to live in this vale of tears while waiting the coming of Christ. Will you tell Him that you buried the Talent He gave you through inaction?
I will tell Him that I refused to violate my convictions and conscience and I was willing to totally trust His appointment to the POTUS, without my assistance.
So you even refuse to even put your Talent to draw interest from those who I am sure would violate your convictions with their ethics?
Walt,
Frame it however you like, but I will not vote for a man whose Bible teaches that I am “loathsome,” “despised,” “unattractive,” “filthy,” and cursed. If you are comfortable doing so, go right ahead. I am not.
So in your opinion racism in an ancient text is worse than murder of the unborn?
Walt, Texas is not considered a “swing” state. It is considered to be firmly red in the Presidential election. Given that the President will not be elected by popular vote, but via the electoral college, whether Dwight votes in the election will be hardly relevant. Texas will swing to Romney.
But before we get too fast and loose with biblical interpretation, I’d encourage you to rethink the analogy of voting for an American Presidential candidate with what Jesus was talking about in his parable of the talents. I’m pretty sure that’s not what he had in mind.
Paul: Are you arguing that because we are in Texas what Dwight does doesn’t matter? If so, I disagree as he has influence far beyond our borders.
Jesus intended that we be good citizens and I believe that includes exercising our power to vote.
Racism in ancient text(s), unrepented of by one who holds the office of POTUS, and who wields the power to wreck havoc on the lives of the dark skinned people that his ancient text abhors, is the moral equivalent of the murder of the unborn. Ask the countless Black men who have been incarcerated unjustly due to racism(proven by the Innocence Foundation). Ask the Tuskegee Airman, Emmitt Teal, the couple denied the privelege of marriage in a SBC church in Mississippi recently, and thousands of other cases and experiences lived by Blacks everyday–and they will tell you that they would… Read more »
Yet in the great majority of cases they were not murdered before they got a chance to live. You are using the very hyperbole you claim to disdain to support a completely illogical position.
I say your position is illogical because as a percentage of population FOUR TIMES the number of black women have abortions as do white women. The abortion industry is murdering your race as the founder of Planned Parenthood intended and you refuse to do anything about it when you have the power to make a difference.
“”””””they will tell you that they would rather vote for someone who will respect their current life and protect it, moreso than one who purportedly will better protect life in the womb.””””” I hope you are saying that with great sorrow. Where will be (where are we going now) as a nation when “my” comfort and safety rides on the back of the most innocent. Personally, I’d rather be imprisoned, beaten, tortured, hung–or add whatever awful experience you would like–then, to aid or assist in the destruction of innocent life to save my own. I think this is where your… Read more »
who wields the power to wreck havoc on the lives of the dark skinned people that his ancient text abhors
And just how, exactly, would the POTUS do this? By supporting and signing welfare reform? Making it harder for people who don’t deserve government assistance to get it (i.e. drug test required, proof of citizenship)? Am I close to what you had in mind, Dwight?
I would far rather a man tell me that I’m ugly, my feet stink and my mother dresses me funny than kill me.
Planned Parenthood is the largest abortion provider in America. 78% of their clinics are in minority communities. Blacks make up 12% of the population, but 35% of the abortions in America. Are we being targeted? Isn’t that genocide? We are the only minority in America that is on the decline in population. If the current trend continues, by 2038 the black vote will be insignificant. Did you know that the founder of Planned Parenthood, Margaret Sanger, was a devout racist who created the Negro Project designed to sterilize unknowing black women and others she deemed as undesirables of society? The… Read more »
Dwight,
I agree with you that sometimes not voting is the only reasonable position. I don’t object to your decision to abstain, if you believe neither candidate is at all viable. I just disagree that neither candidate is viable.
Religion and politics……dangerous mix.
3 reasons to vote for Romney:
1. Anti-abortion
2. Anti-sodomite marriage
3. Fiscal conservative (relativley speaking, compared with current potus).
Dwight, Romney is a secular mormon much like secular southern baptists. He is not racist. And as to going to the mormon temple to visit and be denied entry to certain areas????? Big deal…..who (other than a mormon) wants to even visit the mormon temple? Hold your nose and vote Romney, maybe in 4 years we can find a more acceptable candidate but for now he is the best running.
Jake Barker took hammer. Hit nail right on head. Drove it home one lick. Bravo Jake Barker.
Jake,
You may be comfortable voting for a man whose “bible” describes dark skinned people as “unattractive,” “loathsome,” and “cursed.” I’m Not!!!
If you’ve never felt the pain of being denied entrance to any place simply because of the color of your skin; it may be easy for you to casually shrug this off as “Big Deal,” but is a major issue for anyone who has experinced the pain of rejection.
Dwight,
At the risk of being misunderstood, having “experinced the pain of rejection” is bad no doubt. But the pain of being ripped apart in the womb by an abortionist (murderer) of having one’s brains sucked out after the baby’s head has been pierced by scissors is much, much, much worse. Brother in my opinion the life or death issue trumps everything else.
Les,
Both of these are”life issues.” A reason that I often hear Black Christian Democrats give for voting Democrat is pointed out by your illustration. Republicans care about “life in the womb, Democrats care about life to the tomb.” Democrats have convinced the majority of Black people that they care about their lives after the womb. Some people will vote for the party and person that they believe will do the better job of respecting their postpartum life. Although I disagree with them, I respect their decision.
Dwight
Les, One more thing. Even if you vote Republican/Romney, abortion will still remain the law of the land for the near future. Therefore, some persons base their voting decisions for the person that they believe will grant them equal access and respect, as oppose to the persoor party that they perceive may do a better job of eventually protecting the life of the unborn, while denying access and respect to lives already born. This is how the choice between the two parties in the Black community. Consequently, the Republican Party–at their National Convention– looked like a meeting of the White… Read more »
Democrats care about life to the tomb
And this is why I said when you talked about economic and social justice that you meant left-wing governmental entitlements–which by the way many times go to people who are able to work, but unwilling to work. In other words, lazy.
Joe,
There you go again, misrepresenting and distorting what I’ve said. “Democrats care about life to the tomb” was my way of summing up why I believe the majority of Blacks vote Democrat. But I made it clear that, this is not how I vote or feel. Please don’t misrepresent and quote out of context my words.
Wait a minute dear gentlemen, I know Dwight personally. he has never supported abortion. he is no leftist, socialist, or any other off-the-wall radical nut-case. And he certainly does not support the politics of “lazy.” There really are problems with both candidates for people of faith. One problem I believe both of them have is when either one might construct a sentence with such words as “people of faith” they might use the pronoun, “we.” Neither of them are of us as people of The Faith. Yet, we know full well what one has done in the last four years.… Read more »
Dwight,
So some people believe… “A reason that I often hear Black Christian Democrats give for voting Democrat is pointed out by your illustration. Republicans care about “life in the womb, Democrats care about life to the tomb.” Democrats have convinced the majority of Black people that they care about their lives after the womb.”
Well, that does not make what they believe true. And it is not true. Rs are not just for life in the womb. That is a false narrative put forth by the Ds and their allies in the MSM.
Dwight, “One more thing. Even if you vote Republican/Romney, abortion will still remain the law of the land for the near future.” There is no denying that is probably true. However, we have tangible proof of what Obama’s second term will be involving babies…even MORE babies murdered! By presidential executive orders (not to mention Obamacare and regs via the HHS) more babies have died as a resut of Obama being president. So the choice as I see it is voting to increase more murder of babies or voting to reduce the murder of babies from current levels. “Therefore, some persons… Read more »
Democrats care about life to the tomb That may not be how you vote or feel. Fine. Anyone who would agree with the above phrase does so because the Dem’s take money from people that work and earn it in order to give it to people who are capable of working but are too lazy to do so. If A works at Popeye’s, her baby daddy don’t pay the child support for one of her kids and the other kid’s baby daddy was killed in a drive by and they can’t locate the third kid’s baby daddy to serve child… Read more »
“… the Republican Party–at their National Convention– looked like a meeting of the White Citizens Council(with a very few of their Black friends)— and the Democratic Party looked like the Kingdom of God, represented by every kindred, tribe, tongue, and nation…”
Yeah, the Kingdom of God carrying out a Satanic mission of slaughtering the innocent unborn. Where is your thinking cap?
Democratic Party looked like the Kingdom of God, represented by every kindred, tribe, tongue, and nation.
Democrats pledge their life’s blood to keep and expand abortion rights. If black people see them as you’ve described above, they SERIOUSLY need new glasses.
There is NEVER a justification for voting for a pro-abortion candidate. EVER.
Dwight, Just who the heck wants to visit the mormon temple? Unless one is a mormon we don’t even need to be there….if the mormon heirarchy is racist so be it, that is on their judicial doc on judgement day not ours. And yes I have felt rejection even in my own congregation because of my mixed race children…..so what be the bigger man, forgive them before they realize they need your forgiveness. Kinda like the thread on this site about communion……maybe you need to examine yourself before next Lord’s Supper…..like the Michael Meyers film ” I’m not worthy”…..sorry Dwight… Read more »
Dwight,
Luv you brother and you and your family would never be any of what the book of mormon says about you at my house, not to mention that I cook much better “Q” than anything a mormon could whip up. So why would you want to go to Salt Lake City when you could stay closer to home and most certainly be fed better food and be welcomed too?
http://www.npr.org/blogs/health/2012/09/03/160502626/romney-and-abortion-another-shift-in-the-works
According to this article Romney has shifted his position on the subject of abortion, declaring himself pro abortion when running for office in Massachusetts.
Yeah because NPR is an unbiased news source.
Ok, let’s pretend that he is pro-abortion. Did he ever vote to deny medical care to the survivors of botched abortions? Did he? Your beloved president sure as snot did! What kind of monster would you have to be to deny a baby who survived an abortion medical care?
Oh my goodness. Did I read this correctly? You are claiming that Romney was pro-abortion. npr is not a unbiased source. That’s complete nonsense. I don’t think that’s what you meant. When it comes to the discussion of abortion, one needs to be precise. Being pro-abortion rights, is not even close to being pro abortion. If you had ever stood by while a woman was having such a procedure you’d know just how profound the difference is. Nobody said Romney was ideal candidate. To the contrary, both Romney and Obama would say anything to get elected. I find Romney only… Read more »
Dwight, I believe you are right, in part. So are the other guys, right in part. We have people in this country, Yes the U.S.A. that have been caught eating cat food because they draw such a small amount each month, and the Republicans want to cut what they draw, they are going hungry now. The Republicans want to cut medicare, and medicade for these people, the next step is death for these people. Mormon’s believe Jesus has a brother whose name is Lucifer. My God, how bad can things get? The magic underwear??? Multiple wives, New commandments. No abortion… Read more »
Can you identify for me one person who has ever eaten cat food because they had absolutely no legal way to get better food?
meeee-yooooow
David,
Perhaps what he meant by cat food was using cats for food? There is some merit to that plan… Helps with world hunger while getting rid of a rodent.
I hear cats taste a little like chicken if they are prepared properly.
There’s a cat in the kettle at the Shang Hai Moon,
Think I better stop eatin’ there at noon
They say it’s chicken, fish, or pork
But it’s Meowing on my fork, yeah
It’s Meowing on my fork.
Chris,
Yes I can, ME. I had a horrible divorce in 1984. I was the offended party yet the Oklahoma judicial system favored the woman. I ate 10cent a can cat tuna for many a meal while I faithfully paid my child support so my children could eat lobster and steak. Don’t go there cause it could open a 55 gallon barrel of WA on you.
Jake,
While I’m not interested in barrels of any sort, I typically don’t mind going anywhere a conversation leads.
Raman noodles are cheaper.
Eating cat food is just dumb. Seriously, I let my family somehow talk me into getting two cats for our little kids. That stuff is expensive. Not to sound insensitive or anything. I know what poverty is like. Growing up I had a few weeks were my options for supper were corn or jell-o. And even while married there were a few weeks early on where we discovered a million different ways to eat an egg. But cat food is expensive. If you don’t have money to eat get rid of your cat. Stop buying it food. Either you have… Read more »
1) I’m a white guy so I am in no way qualified to make observations on Dwight McKissic’s reactions to the Mormon Bible and/or the book of Mormon.
2) I’ve gotten to know him as a friend over the years and from observing him personally, I must respect his opinion and his personal judgment regarding his personal responsibility in voting or not voting.
I appreciate Bro. Dwight’s position and his reasoning even if I have not reached that same conclusion. Does the Bible require Christians to register to vote and actually cast a vote in each and every election for each and every office on the ballot? Is it a sin for a Christian to either not register to vote or to refrain from voting in a particular election or for a particular office? While we have many rights and responsibilities as citizens of America — rights and responsibilities that would have been foreign to Christians in the 1st Century — I don’t… Read more »
Dwight, I agree with you although for some different reasons! I do not intend to vote for either candidate. 1. Read what Charles Spurgeon had to say about voting for two wicked people . “The great pastor, Charles Spurgeon, said: ‘When given the choice between the lesser of two evils, choose neither’. If God’s values (issues) truly are first for Christians, to choose any politician who violates any of these values is to displease Almighty God Himself. This opens us up for His judgment upon we who have rejected Him. It is better to vote for someone who has no… Read more »
Chris, I don’t remember the names but it made the news. I have personally visited homes that didn’t have any food, and purchased food out of my pocket. I’ll bet where ever you go to church, not far from your church there will be someone hungry. Don’t you know hunger is a problem in this country. Most people are not lazy, they just need a chance. There are circumstances that can happen that devastates a family and they are not prepared for them. A friend of mine went to one family’s home and there was no food for Christmas. No… Read more »
Yes, there are hungry people in the area and it usually boils down to the choices of the individual, not the failure of government. Support exists for those truly in need. Doesn’t mean things will be easy, doesn’t mean society can’t do more, but it does mean people won’t be left to eating cat food.
M.O.E.,
May I ask if you live in Southwest Virginia., Southeastern Kentucky, or in West Virginia?
MOE At one time the church was committed to helping the poor everyday. That is our charge from God. The government has stepped in now and the mind-set of the church today is to let the government take care of them. The government’s approach to helping the poor only makes them dependent on the government. When the church would help, they would get involved in their life to find out if they are truly needy or need to go to work. Scripture does say, “For even when we were with you, we commanded you this: If anyone will not work,… Read more »
Chris, it’s not the childs fault. If you look on the web, according to the USDA, one in four children barely scraped by with enough to eat last year. There is a growing problem of hunger in this country. We help the oil companies with subsidies, while they repay us with four dollar gasoline. I dont have any money in a Swiss bank so I don’t have to pay taxes on it. I don’t want my taxes raised so the rich can have a tax cut. Let them pay their fair share. People will eat what they can get their… Read more »
MOE,
You said, …”so the rich can have a tax cut. Let them pay their fair share.”
I have wondered-What is fair? I hear this phrase all the time in the liberal media and by liberal politicians. So what is a fair share?
Thanks,
Les
To me a fair share would be the percentage that I pay in taxes. I want to point out that I am white. I have been a bivocational Pastor for thirty five years. When I wasn’t doing the Lords work I was in an underground coal mine working like a dog. I have worked hard all my life. There has been times I have felt like I have paid more than my fair share of taxes. But I paid them, every cent. I feel like everyone else should do the same. Including those who make more. If I pay thirty… Read more »
MOE, you picked 30%. Why is that fair? The highest bracket is actually higher than 30%. Romney doesn’t pay 30% because of the type of income he has…it is not earned income. It’s investment income which is taxed at a lower rate than wages. But you say 30%. Somebody else says 20%. Another says 40%. Who gets to decide what is “fair?”. You? Chuck Schumer? I really think the fair share notion is bogus. No offense intended. Because, at the end of the day it’s arbitrary. And besides, if we taxed really wealthy people at 100% of their income it… Read more »
MOE, I would just remind you that the upper 1% in the nation pay 36% of all taxes brought into the US coffers. The upper 5% pay about 55% of all the taxes our government collects. Also, the fact is that most of us in the middle class actually don’t pay anywhere near 30% of our income in taxes by the time you calculate earned income credit and what we get back in refund. And finally the bottom 50% of our nation only pay 2.25% of the tax our government collects. Revenue is not our problem, the problem is a… Read more »
Dwight, Do you agree that people should work, and make thier own living? How can a nation survive if half the people depend on the other half to pay all the bills? And Dwight, I agree with you that Mormonism is a racist religion. I dont like Mormonism. I will have to swallow deep…walk into the voting booth…and vote for Romney because he’s more conservative than Obama…more pro life than Obama…. and is for less govt. and less taxes than Obama…and I really dont know if our country can take 4 more years of a liberal, socialistic, big govt. Obama.… Read more »
Vol, I think this year is an election year of thinking like the hunter who has only one round left for his gun and he knows winter is coming fast and he has to shoot something and make it count as best he can so his wife, kids and ‘coondog can eat ’till he can buy some more cartridges for his rifle. So he goes huntin’ and he comes upon a rabbit and a razorback hog at about the same range and the difficulty of the shot is relatively the same. What does he do? Of course, he shoots the… Read more »
Well put CB!! One can understand that.
Alan
Wow, CB, that brought a tear to my eye. Good stuff, Brother.
David 🙂
volfan007,
Absolutely!!! People should work to pay their bills. If it were left up to me the only persons getting government assistance would be persons who have a certified letter from a doctor stating that they are physically or mentally/emotionally incapable of working. If other persons were to receive assistance it would be for a maximum of 6-12 months. And when that’s completed, no more.
I would add to that, and I’m guessing you would too, for grants and loans for folks wanting to further their education to get out of dead end jobs that can’t pay enough to support their family. If someone wants to do better but needs some help to get started or get there, I’m all for helping them.
So healthy children of deadbeat parents go wanting?
Tough talk is great, until poverty has the face of a cherub
Along with tough reform we need to provide opportunities.
I’m glad to hear you have decided to put your vote where your mouth is
The coming election will either help or hurt children. We have part of the solution to these issues in our hand. We can’t fix everything in one election, but we can start
We need to check our moralizing and put a check on our ballots that will actually make a real difference.
Simply vote straight party! That way your conscience can rest a little easier.
There have been blacks in LDS for a long time. http://www.blacklds.org/
Voting is a privilege we have as free citizens. These guys are “politicians”, not preachers. They are employed by the citizens of the US and we influence them to do what we want them to do.
Your “no vote” approach sounds more like the hard-line Calvinist approach to evangelism.
Dwight, So what do I tell my children and grandchildren in 10-15 years? When the government denies a health care procedure or takes more of their money than they get to keep or allows our enemies to attack us wantonly? There was a candidate who unabashedly supported abortion, homosexual marriage, and taking money from successful people and giving it to less successful people, who thinks more government is the answer to nearly everything. There was a candidate who opposes abortion, believes that people make the best decisions about their lives, not government, who has zero evidence of personal racism in… Read more »
Dwight,
I think that this is the first post on sbcvoices in which I totally agree. I’m thinking of writing-in my candidate. I cannot vote for either man. I am responsible for my vote, not the result of the election.
Donald
Writing in a vote is morally defensible if voting was about making a statement.
Voting is about making a difference. And make no mistake about it, this time around a vote can make a real difference in life and death issues, especially for children and the poor.
Frank: In 1928, Herbert Hoover won the Republican Massachusetts presidential primary on write-ins, polling 100,279. In 1940, Franklin D. Roosevelt won the Democratic New Jersey presidential primary with 34,278 write-ins. In 1944, Thomas Dewey won the Republican Pennsylvania presidential primary with 146,706 write-ins. He also won the Oregon Republican presidential primary with 50,001 write-ins. In 1948, Harold Stassen won the Republican Pennsylvania presidential primary with 81,242 write-ins. In 1952, Robert Taft won the Republican Nebraska presidential primary with 79,357 write-ins. Also in 1952, Estes Kefauver won the Democratic Pennsylvania presidential primary with 93,160 write-ins. Also in 1952, Dwight Eisenhower won… Read more »
Wow, and winning a primary is the exact same thing as winning the real election in November? Gosh, I’m glad you’re around to educate us. (eye roll)
Name one president that has ever won the November election as a write in candidate.
(crickets chirping)
Joe,
My campaign manager once said, “Figures don’t lie but liars will figure.”
One can manipulate figures to reflect whatever presuppositions one presupposes. As you point out: not one Presidential race has been won by a “write in.”
I’m not a betting man, but I’m betting that will be the case with this election also.
A write-in vote can make a statement, but it cannot make a difference.
PS–If one wants to make a statement, I remember the story about a Buddhist Monk during the Viet Nam war.
CB Scott, In answer to your question, Southeast Ky.
John, That is some wierd math, It reminds me of the story of the sucessful businessman that went to his Pastor and told him That with all the money he is making now a tith is way too much to give to the church, he said I can’t afford to give that much to the church. The Pastor said, come lets pray that God will reduce your salary so you can once again afford to give a tith to God.
M.O.E.,
Knox, Bell, Harlan, or Pike County?
While Romney’s number 47% more than likely doesn’t actually equate to the true number of people depending on the government, the principle of what he was saying is the truth. There is a large section of the population that believe it is up to the government and society to take care of them; and the liberals are willing to oblige for the sake of power. – Taking care of those who “cannot” care for themselves has never been a problem for anyone I know. – Taking care of those who “will not” care for themselves is a “deciding” problem for… Read more »
You know, I realize this comment thread is already getting not only long but long in the tooth. My thought: 1. While it makes me uncomfortable due to missing the opportunity to cast a vote, I recognize Dwight’s stand as a principled one. While the situation is ENTIRELY different, I don’t buy lottery tickets for a very simple reason: I trust God to take care of me and to provide for me and for my family. Voting is a civic duty, but trusting God is a higher responsibility. 2. It brings up the point, again, that the Mormons capitulated on… Read more »
Does it matter if you live in a state that has no chance of the polls being wrong or a close election. Lets say you live in California the chance of Romney taking California is around 20%. So if you don’t vote for Romney does it really matter. But what if you live in a state that it is projected to be a close election then your vote matters. I do not vote for ones Religion, I vote for the values of the person running for office that I believe come closest to matching the scriptures and the values I… Read more »
Do you guys know anyone that is recieving assistance from the state or federal government that do not deserve it. If so, why haven’t you reported it to the authorities. Sounds like you have been watching Fox news. I do know things go on, That I disagree with, Such as addicts being able to get assistance just because they are addicts. I do believe they need help to get off drugs, but then stop the assistance. I saw on the news the other day that the morbidly obese can receive assistance from the goverment. Again, help them to get normal… Read more »
MOE
You confuse “deserving” with “legally”. I can easily give you a list of names of people legally receiving assistance that do not deserve it.
I can give you another list of deserving people who receive no assistance.
I very seldom watch Fox News.
If you are going to ride such a high horse, I’d suggest wearing a helmet
I would like to add one more thing, One of the major problems with this greatest nation on earth, is not thinking things completely through. It’s like the old Pepsi Cola trick to rid a house of mice, all you have to do is set a saucer full of Pepsi in a corner some where in the house. Every one knows a mouse can’t belch or pass gas so it explodes.
FRANK, I am learning how to be a politican, just keep it between us.
MOE. I’ve been a politician. Please forgive me
Dwight,
In Texas, you can write in the name of anyone when casting your vote for President.
So, vote for me.
Yours in Christ,
Barber 2012
Bart,
How can you do that with an electronic ballot? Do you have to make a special request in order to accomplish a write in vote?
Dwight
Dwight,
There are instructions at the Secretary of State’s web site. I haven’t read them.
Thanks.
That’s three comments I’ve made with you. Have I earned your vote yet? 😉
I did some searching and dug up a timely theme for Bart’s presidency: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vSsIAmz7cuA
It even has a bit of a gospel feel. Don’t listen too hard to the lyrics except for the humor angle.
PRESIDENT BART BARBER–President of Southwestern Baptist Theological Seminary. That has a great ring to it. If I were a trustee and the position of President was being filled, you would get my vote. At the end of the day you are an objective, reasonable, scholarly, godly, and fair man. My life is richer by knowing you.
Dwight
I agree with you, Dwight. That does have a great ring to it.
I ain’t staging no coup d’état against Paige Patterson—you can bet for darn tootin’ sure about that!
Bart,
Be most assured, I have no such idea in mind. I think that in 15-20 years when Dr. Patterson goes into full time evangelism, you would make the perfect candidate for the big chair at SWBTS.
So, far from staging a “coup d’etat,” I think you should enter the “stage” from the seat of a “coup deville” parked out front in the parking space reserved for “President.”
😉 Glad I wasn’t drinking Dr. Pepper when I read that last line!
A different point of view. One I happen to share.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F77s8wHCY3o&feature=g-all-c
John,
The thread got a bit hard to drive through, so I’ll comment down here.
You said, “””we would say that the Old Testament is not our standard””””
That is precisely the official position of the Mormon church in regard to the issues of race in the Book of Mormon. So, you are making my argument not disputing it.
Frank, I have studied Mormonism very little since I left seminary, and that was in 1987. Consequently, you may have more up-to-date information than me. Back then at least, no informed Mormon would say that something in the Book of Mormon was not their standard. That book was their greatest and highest piece of “revelation.” The three other Mormon “Holy Books” were also considered revelation, but of a lessor degree. The Pearl of Great Price was considered an accurate revelation from God, but only where it was not contradicted by the Book of Mormon; the Book of Covenants was considered… Read more »
Dwight
Tell yourself whatever the snot you need to–you have ASSERTED that Romney is a racist. You haven’t proven ANYTHING. And “He’s a mormon and the book of mormon is racist” is not PROOF that he’s a racist. He is not responsible for being a spokesman for his church.
As for me, I’m by no means excited about voting for Romney, but the most important thing to me and for this country politcally is to get that clown, your ‘beloved president”, out of office. The only way to vote against Oh_blah_blah is to vote for Romney.
Amen and amen.
I came to the conclusion that I’m not voting for a “Spiritual Leader or for a Pastor of my church”. If that were the case, neither of these men would come close to being qualified. I’m voting for a government leader to LEAD our country in a political, economic, and foreign policy manner that is best for our country…AND that certainly is not the man whom presently resides in the White House. I’m not voting for someone who will teach me biblical truth. A person who decides not to vote in this election and instead goes “fishing” is a person… Read more »
“A person who decides not to vote in this election and instead goes “fishing” is a person who really is voting for the person who is our present president.” This is the Fallacy of the False Dilemma (falsum in omnibus). There are not only two choices. You might be of the opinion that only one of two certain men can win and therefore be willing to vote for one because he is less evil than the other. I refuse. There are other choices, including abstaining. Abjuring the realm is a vote FOR “none of the above”. It is a statement… Read more »
Donald, I do agree that we should not “bleat for one candidate out of fear for another.” However, to suggest that a vote for any candidate other than the two is a truly viable option is beyond reasonable. It is “possible” but not at all probable. The probability of such a choice being viable is so low that it must be considered impossible. Therefore, such a choice cannot be a justifiable foundation for a moral choice. There may be other ways to justify not voting, but a “third party, write-in” proposition does not seem such a justification. The reality is… Read more »
My goal in voting for Romney is not to elect Romney. I am not excited about him. My goal in voting for Romney is he is the only candidate that will have a chance to beat Obama. Seeing Obama lose, wiping that smug look off his arogant face, is my goal.
JOe,
There’s no way around it, the only way to get Obama out is to put Romney in.
If Romney can deliver on jobs, he’ll almost certainly get reelected for a second term. If he doesn’t deliver on jobs, he’s going to be a one term president.
How long has it been since we have had two one-term presidents back to back?
These are uncertain days for the country to be sure.
Here’s my thing. I want a Republican in there so we can pack the court. There were at least two lib justices that were waiting on a lib like Obama to get elected so they could retire. If we’d had a Republican, a good conservative (which McCain wasn’t, but anyway) elected, we most certainly could have seen them retire or die and gotten conservatives in their place. As it stands now, we have the crazy abortion chick and a wise latina who isn’t good enough to be on the Supreme Court.
Folks, have you seen the latest numbers? Romney is still in negative territory. News reporters can’t even get elected Republican officals to answer questions on things Romney has said because they are afraid their own re-election will be in jeopardy. Romney has changed his mind yet again, he is now talking about the hundred percenters, will you change your minds too?
Charles, are you putting political, economic, and foreign policy issues above the Bible.
And what part of the Bible is he supposedly putting those things over?
Joe, I asked were those things the most important.
M.O.E.
Who suggested they weren’t??
That should say “Who suggested they WERE?” As in who suggested politics, economic policy and foreign policy were more important than the Bible?
Dr. McKissic, while I plan to vote for MR as the lesser of two evils, I can feel the pain of voting for that aberrant, erroneous, and vicious viewpoint encapsulated in the Mormon writings on the subject of race. It is sure idiocy, but I fear the real aim is to keep Obama so the course of communising the USA can continue and then they can also collapse the economic and get the great pop elimination effort going (get rid of the “useless eaters” as H.G. Wells called them). MR gave them the ammo to do it with by his… Read more »
Please know that I am not happy about this vote for MR. My conscience is kicking me, especially as I suspect his dumb speech about Americans being so sorry was probably one of those things mentioned by FDR, “Nothing happens by accident in public.” In other words, the folks running things want Obama to continue, so they can run the economy off the cliff, get chaos going, and get rid of the excess population (you and me and all the useless eaters as Wells called them), some 5.5 billion people. Some 20 years ago during the Beast of Brussels saga,… Read more »
Frank said: “However, to suggest that a vote for any candidate other than the two is a truly viable option is beyond reasonable.” History teaches us a different lesson. These things can turn quickly. One example from the Holy Land (Alabama), in 1987 nobody was more surprised that Guy Hunt was elected Governor of Alabama than Gov. Hunt himself. He was the annual token Republican candidate when elections were determined in the Democratic Primaries. This all turned on the outrage the folks in Alabama had over the two leading men for the Democratic ticket (Charles Graddic and Bill Baxley). Hunt… Read more »
Yeah, that makes total sense, because in the General election he ran against both democratic candidates. So he was the third man in the race in the general election
Oh, wait. No he didn’t. it was a choice between him and one democratic candidate.
Next time you’re going to pick an example, try one that actually makes sense. The only two people who have any chance at all of being elected are Barak “Dwight’s beloved president” Obama and Mitt Romney.
Donald,
I’m willing to put my view of “unreasonableness” to the test.
Show me one time a Third Party Candidate that never received more than 5 to 10 percent in the primaries was even a contender–even close. Was anything but a spoiler.
Clock ticking . . . . Time’s up. Never!
In a sense your proposition and mine are seeking the same thing: we are both grasping at straws. Mine has a name: Mitt Romney.