I have been preaching a long series on Sunday mornings on the Holy Spirit and am currently going through 1 Corinthians 12. As a part of my Sunday message on verses 4-6, I ended up in Hebrews 11, don’t ask me how. I took my people through a favorite section of the “Hall of Faith” and showed them one of those passages of Scripture I call, “Verses We Don’t Really Believe.” We believe the whole Bible, of course, but we don’t REALLY believe those verses about loving our enemies, returning good for evil, giving thanks for everything, and a host of others – you get me? In Hebrews 11, we read about the heroes of faith who accomplished great things by walking in obedient faith. Then, in verses 32-35a we read the author’s triumphant, victorious, glorious summary of the life of faith.
And what more can I say? Time is too short for me to tell about Gideon, Barak, Samson, Jephthah, David, Samuel, and the prophets,33 who by faith conquered kingdoms, administered justice, obtained promises, shut the mouths of lions, 34 quenched the raging of fire, escaped the edge of the sword, gained strength in weakness, became mighty in battle, and put foreign armies to flight. 35 Women received their dead, raised to life again.
Amen, hallelujah. Even a few of us Baptists may have raised our hands there. By faith, these great servants of God conquered their enemies, administered justice (sorry – that must be a scribal error), escaped trouble, gained strength, were mighty in battle and put armies to flight. Women received their dead who had been raised back to life. Faith can move mountains. Prayers are answered and the power of God is displayed among his people. Never underestimate the power of God.
Our tendency, though, is to stop halfway through verse 35.
Other people were tortured, not accepting release, so that they might gain a better resurrection. 36 Others experienced mockings and scourgings, as well as bonds and imprisonment. 37 They were stoned, they were sawed in two, they died by the sword, they wandered about in sheepskins, in goatskins, destitute, afflicted, and mistreated. 38 The world was not worthy of them. They wandered in deserts and on mountains, hiding in caves and holes in the ground.
Say what?
Servants of God were mocked and scourged, stoned and sawed in two (traditionally, a reference to the death of Isaiah). These men experience poverty, wandering about in sheepskins and goatskins, destitute, afflicted, and mistreated. They lived in deserts and on mountains, hid in caves and in holes in the ground.
Clearly, these were men who lacked the faith of those in the first group, right? They didn’t have the leadership ability the first group had. If they’d just gone to seminary, or prayed more, or studied that new curriculum that is going around that guarantees success, or if they’d listened to the guys at the conference who told them to do what they did so their church could see exponential growth too. These men were failures. They were lousy leaders who probably were walking in sin and didn’t have good skills and just needed more faith, more training, more charisma, more creativity and innovation. They blew it!
Or did they?
Here’s what Apollos/Luke/Paul/Unnamed author said about both sets of people in verse 40.
All these were approved through their faith
Those who conquered kingdoms by faith were approved and those who by faith were tortured and hid in caves were also APPROVED through their faith. Those who escaped the sword and those who perished at the sword were both approved by God because of their faith. Two men, both walking in faith, could experience different outcomes. One could end up in the ministry penthouse and another could wind up in life’s outhouse – and God would say WELL DONE to both.
We do not believe that. Sorry, we just don’t. We think that God’s favor is demonstrated numerically. We look at people in small churches and think they are defective, that their leadership skills are flawed, and that they must be failures. If you are a good leader with the proper skills your church will grow big. In today’s SBC, value is determined by church size and growth.
The story of Isaiah’s call to ministry in Isaiah 6 has always been one of my favorites. He sees the vision of God and worships him, then is cleansed and says, “Here am I, Lord, send me.” What we seldom remember is the job God gave him, in Isaiah 6:9-10.
Go! Say to these people:
Keep listening, but do not understand;
keep looking, but do not perceive.
Make the minds of these people dull;
deafen their ears and blind their eyes;
otherwise they might see with their eyes
and hear with their ears,
understand with their minds,
turn back, and be healed.
“Isaiah, go preach to people who will not listen to you or understand anything you say, and will reject you utterly.” Thanks, Lord! Isaiah was promised a ministry of failure from the moment God called him. Success in ministry could have only come from preaching a message that would have dishonored God.
If you are thinking, that’s all Old Testament, Dave, I’d remind you of 2 Timothy 4 where Paul warns Timothy of those who will only want their ears scratched with pleasant musings and will reject the truth of God.
Is a failing church sometimes the pastor’s fault? Absolutamente. I long for a DeLorean with a flux capacitor and an open stretch of road – I’d go back in time and remake three or four decisions over my 14 years in this church. I’ve seen some pastors make brutally awful decisions that ruined their churches. But I’ve also seen faithful pastors (in my estimation) fail. Is it possible that God judges differently than we do? We have a scorecard that measures size and growth, but maybe the Divine measurement system is a bit different? Maybe he looks at faithfulness and diligence and service and sacrifice and holiness and a host of biblical values that cannot be measured numerically.
Pondering…
1. I can’t tell you how often I’ve seen a program, a strategy, or some new curriculum someone is trying to sell me that guarantees results. If God doesn’t guarantee results, how can these people? If they are guaranteeing me what God doesn’t, where does their guarantee come from? If such a promise is not given from God, is it safe to say these programs rely on the power of human flesh?
2. If the Bible says that many will turn and will gather around teachers who scratch their itching ears, should we assume that church growth is always a sign of God’s blessing?
This is the quandary we live with. A New Testament church ought to never be satisfied with a dry baptistery, with plateaued or declining numbers. We ought to be aggressively seeking to reach our cities, states, and our world for Christ. Anything less than that is disobedience. On the other hand, the Scripture makes it clear that our gospel can be rejected. We can never discount the gospel to make a sale. It is possible to be a faithful witness for Christ and to be rejected. It is possible to be a faithful pastor and have a church turn on you. It is possible to walk by faith and fail by every numerical measurement we have.
Fidelity cannot be defined numerically.
It is possible to walk in faith and be obedient to the Scriptures and fail miserably.
Consider this as I close. Jesus once had a crowd of thousands following him. He began to preach unpopular things and people (John 6:66) began to turn away. In just a year or two, that crowd of thousands became a small band of 120 or so. He gathered a group of misfits around him that no pastor would want as his leadership team. By every too we use to measure success, Jesus was a failure.
Does that make you wonder if our tools are wrong?
Excellent, biblical observations!
Continued blessings in being faithful!
David
Bravo!!!
Excellent.
“In today’s SBC, value is determined by church size and growth.”
So true. And yet we continue to appoint / elect megachurch pastors to every position that “really matters.”
I wonder why that is? Maybe I’ll run for SBC President next year on the “not a megachurch pastor” ticket?
Dave, your post is “well taken” (seminary speak for very good). About ten years ago, Clyde Meador, the executive VP of the IMB, wrote a memo entitled “The Left Side of the Graph.” At that time the IMB was challenging all its missionaries to facilitate church planting movements (rapid multiplication of house churches). In those years there were a few church planting movements, but most missionaries did not see that kind of response. Many of them worked with Muslims and Theravada Buddhists, who are hard to evangelize. I’ve know of missionaries who labored tirelessly for four years and won only a few people to Christ. In his memo Clyde referenced those missionaries. He stated that some missionaries work to cut trees, pull stumps, and remove stones. In other words, God calls some of us to preparation ministry and some to harvest ministry. Paul expressed it this way, “I planted, Apollos watered, but God gave the increase” (1 Cor 3:6, NKJV). I would go farther and say that God calls some of us to pastor dying churches. Most of the prophets saw no positive response. As you wrote, these realities do not excuse laziness, but they remind us to consider the circumstances in which others minister.
“We think that God’s favor is demonstrated numerically. We look at people in small churches and think they are defective, that their leadership skills are flawed, and that they must be failures. If you are a good leader with the proper skills your church will grow big. In today’s SBC, value is determined by church size and growth.”
Not a single person in my circle during 3 decades of pastoring believes this or has said anything close to this. I hope this is perception more than reality. Of course, this is discounting those who are selling a product. One has to wonder about the spirituality of people who have the key to growing a church in 28 days and will share it only if you buy their secret.
I believe this article ties in closely to William Thorton article on July 31 about Preacher vs. Pastor. How do we as children of God count “success ” ? I think it as Paul says how we run the race. We may not know in our lifetime if we have had lifted a successful Christian life until time unfolds. I am poor in spirit as I often have doubts, I question many things and pray for certainty when I want assurance, I am not truly trusting God sometimes but I am as faithful and trusting as I can be and in the end trusting God. Many atheist , many good news preachers, self help gurus, social justice workers to promote self feel good people and many other self assured believers are not poor in spirit , they are 100 percent confident in their beliefs, they have no doubt, strong in their belief.
To use a secular example the 186 men who stayed and died at the Alamo had faith that their lives given would lead to success. They had faith , even in the face of facts that might dim their faith in the outcome of their sacrifice. The Biblical examples in the article are relevant and excellent.
Unfortunately in the secular world success is defined by footprint in economic, social and cultural power. I try not to buy into judging success or worth by results. My Grandmothers Pastor preached his entire working life in a small, struggling church that grew to the tremendous size of 150 members. I went to church there, Sunday School and learned the basics of my faith even if it took me years to accept Christ. This old timey, Pastor, probably modestly educated by todays standards was a true believer and in my opinion a true success to his flock. We need to be careful we do not buy into what the world’s definition of success.
My thought is this, the people in the small, the medium and not too big churches do not feel their Pastors, their church and their faithful living is not a success. This to me many times is a leadership concern at many levels. Our worth , our self esteem, our value and our contributions is something only we can truly ascertain. In a business book I vaguely remember every organization has the vital few and the necessary many. Being one of the necessary many is where most of us will be. There is Charles Spurgeon and Billy Graham, great men of God with a profound impact, the vital few example. Preacher Frost my Grandmothers long time, faithful and caring Pastor had a great impact on many lives including my own (looking back). Who were the most successful? Depends on how you define success, my Grandmother would say , Pastor Frost and she loved Billy Graham , he was the wonderful to the world in his walk but Pastor Frost was wonderful to my Grandma in her walk. All successful. That is the glory and goodness of God.
I get your insinuation, Dean, but I am not lying. . I stand by what I said.
I have not heard this stated ckearly by many. I did have one Tennessee large church pastor tell me,”there are two kinds of churches – big churches doing God’s work and little churches doing nothing.” (While he was on a mission trip to Iowa) Most often, it has been more subtle. “If you’d do what I do your church could have the growth my church has.” Former SBC president used to say that almost annually at the PC. I once listened to a state convention guy disparage a bivocational pastor’s leadership abilities based solely on the fact his church was small and rural.
In Iowa, I went to conference after conference where we were treated as broken because our churches were small. Stopped going long ago.
I had some experiences during the PC that I have committed not to discuss publicly. My experience may be different than yours.
It HAS been my experience and I believe it is an issue in the SBC.
Well said
Back in the mid 80’s when I was serving in a small rural church, I remember going to Associciational, and State meetings and seeing friends and meeting new people. To a person the first question came out of their mouth was….
“How many did you have in Sunday School?” the second question was “Are you up or down on your budget?”
It wasn’t often I heard questions such as:
“How are you and your family doing?” or
“How is your congregation doing in their Discipleship growth?”
“Can you share at least one testimony of the Lord leading your church or church member?”
I learned early what many people valued first. Often times the Bivo guys were ignored or not taken seriously.” In the 17 years I served in SBC churches do I recall Small church guys given significant ministries, or invitations to speak at conferences on any level within the SBC.
Finally, I learned to ignore anything denominational, except our churchs’ involvement in Mission Offerings and focus upon the flock I had been entrusted with and the community my church was located.
Kelly Dunn, If you had posted first you would have saved me a lot of labored typing. Well stated, Brother, Amen.
I do think this mentality that only size matters is coming from the top down not from bottom up.
Finally, I learned to ignore anything denominational, except our churchs’ involvement in Mission Offerings and focus upon the flock I had been entrusted with and the community my church was located.
Good words Kelly
I wish I had learned that much earlier than I did.
Most State Guys and Associational guys are terrible. I was truly concerned that several were not converted Indiana the worse. Just my experience
It was so bad that I would not let them preach in our congregation
Dave excellent post. IMO we must differentiate between “growth” and evangelism”. Leading people to become believer is a must and an instruction in scripture. However that my or may not result in numerical growth. Again thanks for the reminder
In Baptist life we often compare apples to oranges. In military and college town churches, a church might be very effective in evangelism and discipleship and not experience growth. Why not? Those churches tend to lose a lot of members to transfer and graduation; yet, they are successful in discipling new believers who can make great contributions in other churches. Then, too, there are some churches that are declining because the community is losing population. I served a church in eastern Kentucky as interim pastor. The deacons asked me why the church had declined so much over the past twenty years. I showed them a graph of the town’s population decline and the decline in church membership. The two lines on the graph were parallel.
Mark I pastored a church with three military bases in he area.. We needed 16 additions a Sunday just to “break even”.
In the 1940s and 1950s Kentucky Baptists planted lots of churches in coal mining communities, called “coal camps.” Most of the mines have closed now, and the younger adults have moved away to find work elsewhere. Churches that had 150 in attendance back in the day now run 15-20. I’m just saying there are lots of different situations. Making a sweeping statement like, “Every church could and should grow,” is not realistic.
Mark I totally agree. We had the same issue in Oklahoma when oil wells were depleted or capped. My point about my church with military bases was one can have additions and still not show increase in numbers. I worked my backside off just to stay even
Yes, other pastors of churches that serve military families make the same observation. I believe God calls some pastors to serve dying churches–churches that die because the community is dying.
Excellent post, Dave. I have often been troubled by the watering down of the faith for the purpose of drawing a crowd.