Margaret Sanger would be proud. Here we have a talented black actor celebrating the holocaust of 55 million babies, and if the statistics are correct, most of them are black.
Shameful on every level.
Randall Cofield
More like a narcissistic horn-dog….
Randall Cofield
Than a “talented” black actor….
Jess Alford
Dave,
I have one question. What has happened to the anti-abortion videos that were on the television about ten years ago, it may have been a little longer?
I thought it was from a pro-choice group that was trying to make a point through the use of satire. But then I see it’s from the Center for Reproductive Rights. They’re serious! Weird.
“I was sitting in O.R.’s offices when I noticed a fetal development poster. The progression was so obvious, the eyes were so sweet. It hurt my heart, just looking at them. I ran outside and finally, it dawned on me. ‘Norma’, I said to myself, ‘They’re right’. I had worked with pregnant women for years. I had been through three pregnancies and deliveries myself. I should have known. Yet something in that poster made me lose my breath. I kept seeing the picture of that tiny, 10-week-old embryo, and I said to myself, that’s a baby! It’s as if blinders just fell off my eyes and I suddenly understood the truth — that’s a baby!
I felt crushed under the truth of this realization. I had to face up to the awful reality. Abortion wasn’t about ‘products of conception’. It wasn’t about ‘missed periods’. It was about children being killed in their mother’s wombs. All those years I was wrong. Signing that affidavit, I was wrong. Working in an abortion clinic, I was wrong. No more of this first trimester, second trimester, third trimester stuff. Abortion — at any point — was wrong. It was so clear. Painfully clear.”
The above testimony is that of Norma McCorvey, the lady who became famous for using the pseudonym, Jane Roe in the court care known today as: Roe v. Wade.
Interesting turn of events and a woman of contrasts. Adopted out a couple of babies, abortion advocate, lesbian–now pro-life, straight, Libertarian (Ron Paul supporter), evangelical Christian turned Catholic. Wonder where she stands on gun control?
cb scott
Duckman Dale,
Surely, now that she is right about abortion, she is right on other Sanctity of Human Life issues. She looks like a Model 10 S&W on the nightstand type to me. What do yo think?
Dale Pugh
Are you saying cheap but deadly, SEC CB?
cb scott
Deadly? Yes. Cheap? Not at all. A new Model 10 is costly. A used one in good condition is close to 4 bills.
My thought was: Practical, basically fail proof, and no nonsense.
Dale Pugh
LOL! I’ll defer to your assessment, CB. This post wasn’t about gun control anyway. She might be better off with a Springfield XD .40. My wife is pretty good with one.
By the way, I can get a good used S&W 10 .38 SPL for around $300. That’s cheap these days!
cb scott
Duckman Dale,
I realize this post is not about gun control, but there is a post up today about a capitalistic enterprise and this one is about sanctity of human life.
Therefore, since you can locate firearms at such a good price and I surely have no qualms about marking them up a fair amount for resale, how about the two of us going into business together. You find them. I will sale them.
We will both make a profit and help some law abiding citizens better insure the sanctity of their human lives. We could call our new enterprise: Sanctity of Life Firearms and Security Management. What do you think?
God has instilled a principle for all mankind whether saved or unsaved. He has put it in place and I have proven it many times, both good and bad.
“Do not be deceived, God is not mocked; for whatever a man sows, that he will also reap.” Galatians 6:7
Mocking God’s inheritance by celebrating abortion is a mockery beyond comprehension. I pray that God’s plan has provisions so we, like Lot, are removed before His wrath comes.
Christiane
Some real helps for young pregnant women who live in poverty in this country and might be at risk for turning to abortion:
1. There is now support for parenting classes
2. Aid is now provided for day-care costs at colleges and universities
3. Tax credits now are provided for adoptions
4. Currently Medicaid is now secured with adequate funding, which ensures that it continues to pay for one-third of all live births in this country
Joe Blackmon
Some real help for infants still in their mothers womb who wish to survive and be born, which is their right:
1) Making abortion illegal.
Would people still try to have abortions if it was made illegal? Yes. It would, however, be dangerous to the mother (risking her life) and dangerous for the person providing the procedure (they would risk jail time or loss of a medical license if hey have one).
And I’m perfectly ok with that risk.
cb scott
L’s,
Joe Blackmon has been around these Baptist blogs for a long time, as have I.
We both know you have always been an advocate of abortion. We both also know you try to make the kind of comment you made above because you have the false idea that conservative Christians, living according to a biblical worldview do not help women with problems such as poverty, unmarried pregnancies, and so forth and so on.
We also know that you claim to be a strong Catholic, however you consistently rebel against the teachings of the RC in regard to the sanctity of human life.
You can play these games with some here L’s, but those who have been around here for a while and read things you post on other blogs about Southern Baptists and conservative Christians in general know the truth.
Rick Patrick
You know, after watching it, I think it might also play to a racist stereotype, the smooth talking African-American man who values his sexual liberty more than his sexual responsibility and thus engages in intercourse with no intention of providing for any offspring who may result from the act.
He values abortion because he can still be a player. This not only sends the wrong message about sex and about abortion. It also sends the wrong message to the African-American community. I guess the pro-choicers can get away with racism.
Dale Pugh
An astute observation, Rick. I think that’s what I found to be creepy and sleazy about it. I’ll be redoubling my efforts to help with our local Pregnancy Care Center’s fundraising this morning and for the next few weeks.
Was thinking the exact same thing, Rick. I don’t think the racist stereotype was any accident since affluent white girls don’t seem to be the primary customers at Planned Parenthood. Just sayin’
I think they were trying to be cute, basing on the character this guy plays in the show Necessary Roughness. But I do think they tripped some mines along the way.
Interesting fact about the 55 million abortions is that the number of illegal aliens jut about fill up the hole left in the economy by the loss of so many people. Think of what our nation has been deprived. The brightest and best. Now the substitutes, the aliens, have arrived, and they have little knowledge or understanding of the nature of our institutions and how they need morality to function. Getting rid of the excess population, taking over the US had been the goal of a number of groups for years. With the decline of the Christian Faith, the goal of such groups has come close to fulfillment.
cb scott
James,
I fear that many people will be bewildered at me being the one to challenge you on this comment, but that is OK.
James, I really do not think that we need to make a stand against abortion because we fear illegal aliens coming into the country and ruining the country.
I think we need to stand against abortion on demand because abortion on demand is murder.
Whether the economy of this nation rises or falls is another matter entirely. The murder of the innocents in this nation should cease no matter who comes into this nation legally or illegally.
Of course, I think it is murder, but who listens to that these days. Just me and you and us few. But I think this thing was planned in order to change the nature of the government of this nation. Of course, I could be wrong, and I often am, contrary to what some might think I think. It is a matter of grief to me that we have murdered 55 million babies, and people even brag about doing them in.
Jon
Dr. Willingham, I always say we lost that battle a generation ago or perhaps two. My grandparents generation began to experience this decline when the postwar boom and rising secularism turned against the old imperatives. Respect for institutions and traditional morality had by then waned and the Baby Boomers and X’ers played it out. By the 1980’s people were feigning renewal.
Adam G. in NC
Yep. Dead and buried at Woodstock.
Jess Alford
I would add one thing. at the moment of conception a person appears.
Not a thing, a blob, or an it, but a real living person that has a right to life.
I don’t have the answer to immigration. We should probably ask the Indians.
Frank L.
Jess, I’d like to modify your statement a little bit. I think you will agree with me.
Actually, before the moment of conception the person appeared in the Mind of God. See Jeremiah 1:5. This significantly changes the game.
This morning my wife invited the women of the church to a baby shower for my second grandchild, a son. His name is Corban. They included a picture of him in the womb sleeping soundly. If we had this information in 1962, Roe v. Wade would not have passed.
He is “35 weeks along” and my daughter is having a tough pregnancy. My two-year old was born five weeks premature (one week outside of what they consider a “safe” zone for the lungs). We are praying the little boy will stay put.
To God be the glory.
Max
God’s judgment falls on nations which shed innocent blood. Payday someday.
My wife and I just finished watching October Baby. Then, I just watched this sickening video. Man’s depravity knows no bounds.
Christiane
What do Christians have to offer as push-back to something like that video? Well, they can certainly speak their minds about it. But can they do more? I think they can. And should.
Christian people who live according to God’s moral law offer something wonderful to the world:
Sometimes we call it ‘Sanctuary’ – a place of rest and peace surrounded by the followers of Our Lord who have the heart of Christ within them and who offer for those who are troubled, a place to come and rest a while and be cared for.
Sometimes we call it ‘hospitality’ – a place of welcome that receives those who are suffering so that they can be nurtured by people who bear within themselves the heart of Christ .
WITHOUT CHRIST, THERE ARE NO SOLUTIONS
a young woman pregnant and frightened can find many places to go, but if Christian people in ‘communio’ offer to her ‘sanctuary’ and ‘hospitality’, she is received into a community which has the heart of Christ.
A single mother tempted to abort can also be surrounded in the center of such a Christian community.
A worldly political solution to abortion?
There is none. There never will be.
It’s time for Christian people to ACT in the present tense and do what needs doing that can be done NOW. Waiting to vote again in four years time, and then waiting for the Supreme Court to overturn RvW . . . how many years is that? There is work to be done now.
Give ‘of self’, give generously, give from that within you that reflects the heart of Christ . . . and you can reach out with something far more powerful than that ridiculous video.
Complaints and preaching to the choir are like waiting for things to change . . . better to get to work and help make things better in real time.
Joe Blackmon
Christians ARE doing something. Thanks.
Reaching out to give a hand up (not a hand out) to someone in need and working to make abortion illegal, which is the goal of all Christians, are not two mutally exclusive things. Thank you.
In the early 1800s or, more likely, in the late 1700s, a fellow named Malthus thought the world was suffering from over population or soon would be. It followed with him and his supporters that there was a need to get rid of the excess population. Then came Eugenics, and it was spelled out that certain groups needed to be reduced or eliminated. Of course, there was one outfit that financed the Eugenics movement here and abroad, especially in Germany. That outfit still exists, still pushing the issue of over-population. Of course, in ’83 our son, then 11, was given a computer exam in which he was asked the question: “If you had an over population problem with a country in Africa, how would you handle it? a. Have a war and kill them off. b. Use an infectious agent, germ, or disease, and kill them off. c. Let them starve.” He never wanted to go back to that school again, and we did not want him to go either. It is a state funded school for bright kids, who are being trained for a world government. There are about 11 or 12 states that have those schools. Them folks in NY and D.C. could tell us why, I feel sure.
Perhaps, I should add London, Oxford, Brussels, Zurich (as in the gnomes of Zurich as JFK called them), Berlin, and Rome.
Jon
I will say this: Oswald Spengler held that once a culture transitions into what he called its civilization stage, the countryside will pour itself into the city and you will have a concentration of money, power, and knowledge along with an increasingly narrow group holding to increasingly narrow interests. Call it conspiratorial if you wish. But that soon breaks down due to eventual decline, and people return to the countryside. Romanticism and a second religious wave ensues, this time sloppy, like the oriental cults toward the close ofthe ancient world.
Jon
I will say this: Oswald Spengler held that once a culture transitions into what he called its civilization stage, the countryside will pour itself into the city and you will have a concentration of money, power, and knowledge along with an increasingly narrow group holding to increasingly narrow interests. Call it conspiratorial if you wish. But that soon breaks down due to eventual decline, and people return to the countryside. Romanticism and a second religious wave ensues, this time sloppy, like the oriental cults toward the close of the ancient world.
I saw this yesterday. My local pro-life group sent it to me. It’s chilling.
Not much class, eh?
Indeed.
Margaret Sanger would be proud. Here we have a talented black actor celebrating the holocaust of 55 million babies, and if the statistics are correct, most of them are black.
Shameful on every level.
More like a narcissistic horn-dog….
Than a “talented” black actor….
Dave,
I have one question. What has happened to the anti-abortion videos that were on the television about ten years ago, it may have been a little longer?
I have no idea what ones you are talking about.
I thought it was from a pro-choice group that was trying to make a point through the use of satire. But then I see it’s from the Center for Reproductive Rights. They’re serious! Weird.
Yep, this is how they celebrate the ruling that has led to 55 million abortions.
This ad is just creepy and sleazy.
yep
“I was sitting in O.R.’s offices when I noticed a fetal development poster. The progression was so obvious, the eyes were so sweet. It hurt my heart, just looking at them. I ran outside and finally, it dawned on me. ‘Norma’, I said to myself, ‘They’re right’. I had worked with pregnant women for years. I had been through three pregnancies and deliveries myself. I should have known. Yet something in that poster made me lose my breath. I kept seeing the picture of that tiny, 10-week-old embryo, and I said to myself, that’s a baby! It’s as if blinders just fell off my eyes and I suddenly understood the truth — that’s a baby!
I felt crushed under the truth of this realization. I had to face up to the awful reality. Abortion wasn’t about ‘products of conception’. It wasn’t about ‘missed periods’. It was about children being killed in their mother’s wombs. All those years I was wrong. Signing that affidavit, I was wrong. Working in an abortion clinic, I was wrong. No more of this first trimester, second trimester, third trimester stuff. Abortion — at any point — was wrong. It was so clear. Painfully clear.”
The above testimony is that of Norma McCorvey, the lady who became famous for using the pseudonym, Jane Roe in the court care known today as: Roe v. Wade.
yep.
Hear Norma. She never had an abortion.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sc_TgP3QLE4
Interesting turn of events and a woman of contrasts. Adopted out a couple of babies, abortion advocate, lesbian–now pro-life, straight, Libertarian (Ron Paul supporter), evangelical Christian turned Catholic. Wonder where she stands on gun control?
Duckman Dale,
Surely, now that she is right about abortion, she is right on other Sanctity of Human Life issues. She looks like a Model 10 S&W on the nightstand type to me. What do yo think?
Are you saying cheap but deadly, SEC CB?
Deadly? Yes. Cheap? Not at all. A new Model 10 is costly. A used one in good condition is close to 4 bills.
My thought was: Practical, basically fail proof, and no nonsense.
LOL! I’ll defer to your assessment, CB. This post wasn’t about gun control anyway. She might be better off with a Springfield XD .40. My wife is pretty good with one.
By the way, I can get a good used S&W 10 .38 SPL for around $300. That’s cheap these days!
Duckman Dale,
I realize this post is not about gun control, but there is a post up today about a capitalistic enterprise and this one is about sanctity of human life.
Therefore, since you can locate firearms at such a good price and I surely have no qualms about marking them up a fair amount for resale, how about the two of us going into business together. You find them. I will sale them.
We will both make a profit and help some law abiding citizens better insure the sanctity of their human lives. We could call our new enterprise: Sanctity of Life Firearms and Security Management. What do you think?
I’m in. And I promise not to call you “dude.”
I’m not sure letting you two bond on this site is a good thing.
But we’ve never even hugged, or sung “Kum Ba Yah” together. Would you deprive us of that?
I would try!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lGcr5JsYcW0
God has instilled a principle for all mankind whether saved or unsaved. He has put it in place and I have proven it many times, both good and bad.
“Do not be deceived, God is not mocked; for whatever a man sows, that he will also reap.” Galatians 6:7
Mocking God’s inheritance by celebrating abortion is a mockery beyond comprehension. I pray that God’s plan has provisions so we, like Lot, are removed before His wrath comes.
Some real helps for young pregnant women who live in poverty in this country and might be at risk for turning to abortion:
1. There is now support for parenting classes
2. Aid is now provided for day-care costs at colleges and universities
3. Tax credits now are provided for adoptions
4. Currently Medicaid is now secured with adequate funding, which ensures that it continues to pay for one-third of all live births in this country
Some real help for infants still in their mothers womb who wish to survive and be born, which is their right:
1) Making abortion illegal.
Would people still try to have abortions if it was made illegal? Yes. It would, however, be dangerous to the mother (risking her life) and dangerous for the person providing the procedure (they would risk jail time or loss of a medical license if hey have one).
And I’m perfectly ok with that risk.
L’s,
Joe Blackmon has been around these Baptist blogs for a long time, as have I.
We both know you have always been an advocate of abortion. We both also know you try to make the kind of comment you made above because you have the false idea that conservative Christians, living according to a biblical worldview do not help women with problems such as poverty, unmarried pregnancies, and so forth and so on.
We also know that you claim to be a strong Catholic, however you consistently rebel against the teachings of the RC in regard to the sanctity of human life.
You can play these games with some here L’s, but those who have been around here for a while and read things you post on other blogs about Southern Baptists and conservative Christians in general know the truth.
You know, after watching it, I think it might also play to a racist stereotype, the smooth talking African-American man who values his sexual liberty more than his sexual responsibility and thus engages in intercourse with no intention of providing for any offspring who may result from the act.
He values abortion because he can still be a player. This not only sends the wrong message about sex and about abortion. It also sends the wrong message to the African-American community. I guess the pro-choicers can get away with racism.
An astute observation, Rick. I think that’s what I found to be creepy and sleazy about it. I’ll be redoubling my efforts to help with our local Pregnancy Care Center’s fundraising this morning and for the next few weeks.
Was thinking the exact same thing, Rick. I don’t think the racist stereotype was any accident since affluent white girls don’t seem to be the primary customers at Planned Parenthood. Just sayin’
I think they were trying to be cute, basing on the character this guy plays in the show Necessary Roughness. But I do think they tripped some mines along the way.
Never have seen that show.
Interesting fact about the 55 million abortions is that the number of illegal aliens jut about fill up the hole left in the economy by the loss of so many people. Think of what our nation has been deprived. The brightest and best. Now the substitutes, the aliens, have arrived, and they have little knowledge or understanding of the nature of our institutions and how they need morality to function. Getting rid of the excess population, taking over the US had been the goal of a number of groups for years. With the decline of the Christian Faith, the goal of such groups has come close to fulfillment.
James,
I fear that many people will be bewildered at me being the one to challenge you on this comment, but that is OK.
James, I really do not think that we need to make a stand against abortion because we fear illegal aliens coming into the country and ruining the country.
I think we need to stand against abortion on demand because abortion on demand is murder.
Whether the economy of this nation rises or falls is another matter entirely. The murder of the innocents in this nation should cease no matter who comes into this nation legally or illegally.
I think you should rethink this one.
Of course, I think it is murder, but who listens to that these days. Just me and you and us few. But I think this thing was planned in order to change the nature of the government of this nation. Of course, I could be wrong, and I often am, contrary to what some might think I think. It is a matter of grief to me that we have murdered 55 million babies, and people even brag about doing them in.
Dr. Willingham, I always say we lost that battle a generation ago or perhaps two. My grandparents generation began to experience this decline when the postwar boom and rising secularism turned against the old imperatives. Respect for institutions and traditional morality had by then waned and the Baby Boomers and X’ers played it out. By the 1980’s people were feigning renewal.
Yep. Dead and buried at Woodstock.
I would add one thing. at the moment of conception a person appears.
Not a thing, a blob, or an it, but a real living person that has a right to life.
I don’t have the answer to immigration. We should probably ask the Indians.
Jess, I’d like to modify your statement a little bit. I think you will agree with me.
Actually, before the moment of conception the person appeared in the Mind of God. See Jeremiah 1:5. This significantly changes the game.
This morning my wife invited the women of the church to a baby shower for my second grandchild, a son. His name is Corban. They included a picture of him in the womb sleeping soundly. If we had this information in 1962, Roe v. Wade would not have passed.
He is “35 weeks along” and my daughter is having a tough pregnancy. My two-year old was born five weeks premature (one week outside of what they consider a “safe” zone for the lungs). We are praying the little boy will stay put.
To God be the glory.
God’s judgment falls on nations which shed innocent blood. Payday someday.
My wife and I just finished watching October Baby. Then, I just watched this sickening video. Man’s depravity knows no bounds.
What do Christians have to offer as push-back to something like that video? Well, they can certainly speak their minds about it. But can they do more? I think they can. And should.
Christian people who live according to God’s moral law offer something wonderful to the world:
Sometimes we call it ‘Sanctuary’ – a place of rest and peace surrounded by the followers of Our Lord who have the heart of Christ within them and who offer for those who are troubled, a place to come and rest a while and be cared for.
Sometimes we call it ‘hospitality’ – a place of welcome that receives those who are suffering so that they can be nurtured by people who bear within themselves the heart of Christ .
WITHOUT CHRIST, THERE ARE NO SOLUTIONS
a young woman pregnant and frightened can find many places to go, but if Christian people in ‘communio’ offer to her ‘sanctuary’ and ‘hospitality’, she is received into a community which has the heart of Christ.
A single mother tempted to abort can also be surrounded in the center of such a Christian community.
A worldly political solution to abortion?
There is none. There never will be.
It’s time for Christian people to ACT in the present tense and do what needs doing that can be done NOW. Waiting to vote again in four years time, and then waiting for the Supreme Court to overturn RvW . . . how many years is that? There is work to be done now.
Give ‘of self’, give generously, give from that within you that reflects the heart of Christ . . . and you can reach out with something far more powerful than that ridiculous video.
Complaints and preaching to the choir are like waiting for things to change . . . better to get to work and help make things better in real time.
Christians ARE doing something. Thanks.
Reaching out to give a hand up (not a hand out) to someone in need and working to make abortion illegal, which is the goal of all Christians, are not two mutally exclusive things. Thank you.
In the early 1800s or, more likely, in the late 1700s, a fellow named Malthus thought the world was suffering from over population or soon would be. It followed with him and his supporters that there was a need to get rid of the excess population. Then came Eugenics, and it was spelled out that certain groups needed to be reduced or eliminated. Of course, there was one outfit that financed the Eugenics movement here and abroad, especially in Germany. That outfit still exists, still pushing the issue of over-population. Of course, in ’83 our son, then 11, was given a computer exam in which he was asked the question: “If you had an over population problem with a country in Africa, how would you handle it? a. Have a war and kill them off. b. Use an infectious agent, germ, or disease, and kill them off. c. Let them starve.” He never wanted to go back to that school again, and we did not want him to go either. It is a state funded school for bright kids, who are being trained for a world government. There are about 11 or 12 states that have those schools. Them folks in NY and D.C. could tell us why, I feel sure.
Perhaps, I should add London, Oxford, Brussels, Zurich (as in the gnomes of Zurich as JFK called them), Berlin, and Rome.
I will say this: Oswald Spengler held that once a culture transitions into what he called its civilization stage, the countryside will pour itself into the city and you will have a concentration of money, power, and knowledge along with an increasingly narrow group holding to increasingly narrow interests. Call it conspiratorial if you wish. But that soon breaks down due to eventual decline, and people return to the countryside. Romanticism and a second religious wave ensues, this time sloppy, like the oriental cults toward the close ofthe ancient world.
I will say this: Oswald Spengler held that once a culture transitions into what he called its civilization stage, the countryside will pour itself into the city and you will have a concentration of money, power, and knowledge along with an increasingly narrow group holding to increasingly narrow interests. Call it conspiratorial if you wish. But that soon breaks down due to eventual decline, and people return to the countryside. Romanticism and a second religious wave ensues, this time sloppy, like the oriental cults toward the close of the ancient world.