Dwight McKissic to Nominate Dennis Kim as SBC President

Here is the text to our friend Pastor Dwight McKissic’s letter expressing his reasons for nominating Dennis Kim as SBC President. Here is a link to an excellent article by Shannon Baker on the nomination. It has a lot of good background information. 

WHY PASTOR DENNIS MANPOONG KIM, TH.D, NEEDS TO BE THE NEXT PRESIDENT OF THE SOUTHERN BAPTIST CONVENTION
by
WILLIAM DWIGHT MCKISSIC, SR.
MAY 20, 2014

If God wanted something other than a family, He would have had us to call Him something other than Father. The first recorded words of God’s Son make it crystal clear that the Father’s business is the temple business; and the temple business is discipleship. While searching for their Son for three days, Joseph and Mary found Him in the temple being discipled and asking questions. When Jesus’ parents asked Him to give an account for His absence, His reply was: “Did you not know that I must be about My Father’s business?” (Luke 2:49) At 12 years of age, Jesus understood His mission, and He also set the agenda for His church:  “The Father’s Business.”

Jesus declared His relationship to His heavenly Father as preeminent over His relationship to His earthly father and mother, yet He subjected Himself to them, as an example to us (Luke 2:51). Jesus also declared His desire to please His heavenly Father was the driving passion of His life. The heartbeat of God was for His temple—the place where God and man meet. The heartbeat of God’s Son was for the business of His Father, which was the temple business; and the temple business was, and is, a discipleship business.

While seated in the temple, Jesus understood that in a few years the very building that He was seated in would be destroyed (Mark 13:1-2). He knew, ultimately, His body would have to fulfill the purpose of the temple—and that is to be a meeting place for God and man (John 2:21). Jesus also understood that man’s body would become the temple of God’s Spirit (I Corinthians 6:19).

It was of utmost importance to Jesus—being our example—that He related to God as Father. It is of utmost importance to Jesus that we relate to Him as God’s Son. It is of utmost importance to Jesus that we receive God’s Spirit in order to be born again into God’s Kingdom family. Even the Trinity operates as a family. The Father’s business is the temple business. By relating to God as Father in the temple, Jesus is making it clear that the temple business is a family business. And according to Jesus, His family consist of those who “do the will of God, the same is His brother, sister, and mother” (Mark 3:35). The temple business is a family enterprise.

God is looking for a family to conduct His Kingdom business. The Kingdom business is to build a family of disciples. He sent Jesus to earth to gather His family. He prayed for future family members, which would include the SBC (John 17:20). Jesus prayed to His Father that His Kingdom family would be “one…that the world may believe that thou has sent me” (John 17:21). According to Jesus, unless the world sees His family as “one” they may not believe in His incarnation. That’s why it’s so important that the SBC becomes a unified family, that reflect in her leadership and followship, people from “every kindred, tongue, tribe, and nation” (Revelation 5:8-9). God’s plan from the beginning of redemptive history has been global. According to Paul, God Himself preached the gospel to Abraham; and at the heart of His gospel was the seed of Abraham, Jesus Christ, and the “families of the earth” (Galatians 3:8; Genesis 12:1-3).

The Southern Baptist Convention must be about our Father’s business. The Southern Baptist Convention must represent and look like all the families of the earth. The Southern Baptist Convention must have as her leader, someone who has a passion for the Father’s business—which is the discipleship business.

Therefore, it is my intention to nominate Dr. Dennis Manpoong Kim as the next President of the Southern Baptist Convention. Dr. Kim’s heartbeat is evangelism and discipleship. He serves as the senior pastor of Global Mission Church of Greater Washington. He has been faithfully serving as the senior pastor of this church for 23 years with a great passion for evangelism, discipleship and world missions. Fulfilling the Great Commission is the all-consuming passion of his ministry. He has devoted his life in training believers as true Disciples of Christ. He has traveled to more than 40 different countries to witness the gospel, serve in various evangelistic ministries, and give lectures for local pastors and seminary students. He is fully bilingual in Korean and English with a keen understanding of multicultural world views. If elected, he will be an ambassador for the Kingdom and Southern Baptists that’s well qualified.

The Global Mission Church, under Dr. Kim’s leadership, has been faithfully partnering and collaborating with the Southern Baptist Convention in all areas of Christian ministry including cooperative program, world missions, local outreach, relief efforts, community service, and pastors’ fellowship. The Church has produced more than 50 career missionaries working for the International Mission Board. It has also planted five churches in various locations in America.

Either of the announced nominees for President, thus far, are fine men. But, our Convention will be better served if Dr. Kim wins the election. By virtue of training, experience, missions travel, Kingdom expansion, cooperation, church development and discipleship ministries, Dr. Kim is by far the most qualified, announced candidate for the Office of President of the Southern Baptist Convention. Dr. Kim’s church gave 4.5% of their church budget to the Cooperative Program last year, while engaged in local, state, national, and global missions as a church family.

Dr. Fred Luter, our current illustrious President, was quoted in a June 2012 Christianity Today article on the heels of his historic election, regarding future leadership in the SBC:

“I have no doubt you will see more change in having more ethnics in positions of authority. And eventually I have no doubt you’ll see one of us leading one of the entities.”

The election of Dr. Luter was an eye-opener, a wake-up call, that this was no longer “our daddy’s SBC.” Dr. Luter expressed faith that “ethnics” would assume positions of authority in the SBC—not just a solo African American—but “ethnics.” Dr. Kim will lead us to continue our growing ministry to a rapidly diversifying America with a strong and faithful gospel witness.

At the current time, all SBC entity heads are comprised of the majority, historic SBC ethnic group—Anglos. Thank God for the Anglos! The SBC would not be poised to be the only evangelical denomination in my judgment with the potential to become thoroughly inter-racial if it were not for the inclusiveness and Kingdom-minded hearts of Anglo SBC persons. Fred Luter certainly did not become President of the SBC with only ethnic minority votes. But, as America grows, we are becoming a more ethnically diverse nation every year. We need leadership that will help the SBC grow in that way as well. Dr. Kim will do a great job of leading us in our mission to bring the gospel to the people of America who are now from every nation, tribe, people, and tongue so that our churches will continue to look more and more like Heaven (Rev. 7:9).

Dr. Kim is, without a doubt, qualified. Dr. Kim pastors the largest SBC church in the state of Maryland, irrespective of race. The SBC will not have to compromise integrity, leadership, sound doctrine, CP support, missions/evangelism/discipleship commitment, or any expectation of an SBC President by electing Dr. Kim. His leadership among Maryland Baptists is significant in how he has grown a strong, vibrant ministry outside of the South and he is equipped and uniquely positioned to lead the Southern Baptist Convention in growing in areas and among cultures where we have not traditionally had a strong impact. We need the kind of leadership, expertise, and experience that Dr. Kim has gained from ministering outside of the South in a rapidly changing cultural situation.

Dr. Kim caught my eye at the Orlando SBC meeting, when he stood on the floor and made an appeal for ethnic minorities to be included and play a greater role in SBC Life. I resonated with his plea. I resonated with his pain. I resonated with the potential and promise that his plea represented. It is now time for the SBC to move to the next level and continue to fulfill the prayer of Jesus, that we might be one, so that the world would know that He is Immanuel, God with us (Matthew 1:23). The next step in becoming a Kingdom Family of One is to plant multicultural churches. Who better has role modeled and can cast a vision for discipleship-driven multicultural church planting than Dr. Kim?

Michael Brady was a stuntman for Universal Studios. Michael Brady’s specialty was diving from a helicopter to jump onto a moving train. On one occasion he climbed up a stairway to a train to check out what he was going to be doing. Michael Brady slipped, fell and instantly died. Michael Brady was an organ donor. Bill Wohl was hospitalized for 159 days with an artificial heart waiting on a heart transplant. Bill Wohl was 57 years old, waiting on a heart, after 159 days of living with an artificial heart. Michael Brady was 37 years old and in tip-top physical shape when he suddenly died. And Bill Wohl was blessed to receive Michael Brady’s 37-year-old heart.

Bill Wohl started exercising vigorously and running marathons. He wanted to honor the life and legacy of Michael Brady by keeping his heart in good condition. On one occasion, Bill Wohl had the opportunity to meet Michael Brady’s family. His mother, father, brother and sister were all there. Michael Brady’s father had a stethoscope with him. And he requested permission of Bill Wohl to listen to his heart, because he wanted to hear the heartbeat of his son. Bill Wohl granted Michael Brady’s dad permission. He then placed the stethoscope to Bill Wohl’s heart and listened to the heartbeat of his son.

Suppose, God the Father wanted to listen to the heartbeat of the SBC. If God placed a stethoscope on the heart of the SBC, what would He hear? Would God hear the heartbeat of His Son? Dr. Kim’s heartbeat is discipleship, just as Jesus’ heartbeat was discipleship (Matthew 28:19).

We want to continue the great legacy of the SBC with regard to missions, evangelism and discipleship. We want to continue with the Luter evolution. Will you please join me in supporting Dr. Dennis Manpoong Kim as the next President of the Southern Baptist Convention?

Comments

  1. David Rogers says

    I won’t be able to make it to Baltimore to vote. But that is a really good letter, Dwight. Thank you for writing it.

  2. Tarheel says

    Wow, Dwight.

    Brother, that is an awesome letter.

    I think it’s already been asked – is there a way we can see more about Pastor Kim’s church in English.

    • Dave Miller says

      There were just a few wording changes that needed to be made. It’s going out to official press sources, so accuracy is paramount. Normally, we’d have just left it as it is.

  3. says

    I had never heard of him before, but just based off of how he is spoken of in this I would be proud to have him as the SBC President. Having a non celebrity as president may be healthy for the convention. Star power and name appeal isn’t how we are going to take the gospel to the masses, so why look to star power only for all leadership?

  4. volfan007 says

    Dwight,

    I wish I could stand on the stage with you when you nominate Bro. Kim. I’ll just stand in the background. Just think….a big ole redneck hillbilly standing with a big, good looking, Black fella nominating a Korean man to be President of the SBC! Wooo hooo! That’d be awesome.

    David

    • Wm. Dwight McKissic, Sr. says

      volfan,

      We’ll stand together in the SBC Kingdom family regardless to the outcome of this election. It would be heavenly though to see the three of us stand together as brothers who have come into the Kingdom for such a time so that the world may know that there is diversity in our unity, and unity in our diversity.

      The next step David W. is to plant multicultural churches that are discipleship driven, as is Dr. Kim’s church. I pray that if God grace Dr. Kim with a miracle to win this election, he will model, mentor, and cast a vision to leading all SBC willing churches to plan discipleship driven, multicultural churches. Thanks for your prayers for God’s will in this election, and for the wisdom, power, favor and strength that I need to deliver the nomination speech.

      God blessed Alan Cross to deliver a great nomination speech for David Miller. Pray for an “Alan” blessing on my life, so that I might give a speech that places Dr. Kim in the positive and prominent light that the Kingdom is calling for at this hour. I appreciate your affirmation of my involvement in this process, and your friendship. Lunch in Baltimore on me? You name the location.

      • Dave Miller says

        Hey Dwight, I will stand behind you as well. Then you will have two big white guys behind you, one good looking and one named Worley.

          • dr. james willingham says

            If you fellows knew Black History very well, you would not use the term “Posse”.

          • Bob Williford says

            This is a part of my own struggle in today’s culture……we must be careful with the very words that we use in order not to offend those of other races. Some can use one word in public conversation and be perfectly fine in doing so, but if another uses the same word in another public conversation there is justice to be paid. And then we are questioned if we desire not to use the word ‘ethnic’ when speaking of a candidate for an SBC office…..this is absolutely ridiculous, do you not think so? And we wonder why we are drowning in our conversation here????

          • Tarheel says

            Yea. I’m know where you’re coming from.

            I think there are four basic things that keep us as Christians from dealing with racism. In no particular order.

            1. Fear of being labeled racist if you dare question the atmosphere of “positive preferences”.

            2. Unfair and inappropriate Shaming and guilting – both self inflicted and inflicted by others.

            3. A culture that exacerbates and thrives off of racial division and strife.

            4. Christians who constantly self identify in great degree with a “ethnic community” that seems to rival or equal thier identity in Christ and therefore the family of God.

          • Bob Williford says

            I agree. This could go on and on and on. I will stop right here, however. Too much to be said and misunderstood. This is not the place for such a discussion. Besides, there is too much racial hatred within and outside our churches….of every background…….

          • Bob Williford says

            No, I have not witnessed racial hatred here…just the opposite. All that I am attempting to do is remind ourselves as SBCer’s that we do not need to tell the world, “Look, we are nominating a non-white to be our President!!” That is not important…why do we want to pat ourselves on the back for this? This not only should be, but must be a ‘non issue’.

          • says

            Bob

            I can certainly appreciate you position. My position would be slightly different and has been delineated above so no need to restate it.

            Like you I appreciate the general spirit that has been illustrated in this thread. While there are some differences the bottom line seems to be we all are excited about Dr. Kim’s nomination for various reasons, and no one has a problem with skin color. i like that

            Hence we will do what SB do best…..meet…eat…and vote.

          • says

            Well, that is true, Bob. That is not something that we should be telling the world, but it is something that we should be saying to one another based on our history, I believe.

            Thankfully, that history is changing.

          • says

            Bob, you can use whatever words you want or not use whatever words you want in your conversation.

            You are asking other people NOT to talk about something and then they are trying to engage with you on what you are telling them to NOT talk about and you find that questionable?

            So, you can just tell everyone NOT to talk about ethnicity and if people disagree then you think that is a bad thing?

            You are completely free to NOT talk about Dr. Kim’s Korean ethnicity. That is fine. For others, it is a point of conversation. I pray that you will give grace to others to have their own conversations just as you have grace to have yours.

          • volfan007 says

            I used the term “posse,” because I thought that’s what famous singers and famous, pro athletes call the entourage that follows them around…their posse. I’m pretty sure that’s the word they use for the friends, who follow them, everywhere.

            In fact, here’s the meaning of “posse” from the Urban Dictionary: your crew, your hommies, a group of friends, people who may or may not have your back

            Sheesh…are we gonna make a big, huge deal out of every word that’s said? Are we really gonna be that PC crazy?

            David :(

  5. says

    We need a “like” button on posts. I keep trying to hit “like” and there is no way to do it. Facebook/Twitter has ruined me. DAAAAAVVVVEEEEE!!!!! Make it happen, Dave. Get Tony on the Bat Phone and awaken him from his slumber and get us a like button for these posts. :)

  6. says

    You know, the more that I think about this from multiple angles, the more that I think that Kim has a chance here. I might be wrong, but the fact that it is in his home state, he has impeccable credentials, he is not from the South, he has successfully ministered cross-culturally, and he represents the future of the SBC puts some strong assets in his corner.

    Up until today, it seemed as though Floyd’s election was inevitable. I am beginning to doubt that now.

  7. Tarheel says

    Y’all do realize that there’s a swath of SBCers who have no idea who Dr. Kim is….might y’all in the know enlighten us??

    Seriously.

      • Adam Blosser says

        Found this quote in the article: “Among the people who heard the gospel, 1,078 people accepted Christ and 802 others received the assurance of salvation.”

        What does it mean that they received the assurance of salvation?

          • says

            Best guess, and I’ll hope someone has a clearer answer:

            It’s a way to note that there were people who responded to the invitation, thought they needed salvation, and upon being presented the Gospel found that there was a time in their life that they had been saved–so they were counseled on assurance based on once-saved-always-saved.

          • John Wylie says

            Doug and Adam,

            The way Doug just described assurance is traditionally how it’s used.

          • Adam Blosser says

            Okay, I guess it is just the terminology that is throwing me off. “The” assurance of salvation makes it seem like some second experience that we all need to have. I will assume that the difference is only with terminology and not theology or practice.

          • Bob Williford says

            By “Assurance of Salvation” I would think these are folks that have come for ‘Rededication’ or some such. But I have said for a very long time that we have been guilty of presenting ‘cheap grace’ from our pulpits and in our churches because of a lack of strong discipleship. People ‘get saved’ and have never committed to anything but an experience. Just a thought.

          • volfan007 says

            I would say that “finding assurance of salvation” simply means that they were struggling with whether they’re truly saved, or not….. they were counseled with…and, they found assurance! They were able to get over the doubts, and God gave them a peace that they’re saved…truly saved.

            Amen!

            David

          • Tarheel says

            Yea Bob,

            I hope Doug’s answer is correct because it shows a seriousness in the counsel given to those who come forward. Assuming he is, it seems like effort is given in ascertaining whether its salvation or further discipleship that the individual needs. That’s a good thing in my book.

            You’re right that far too often a “prayer and done” approach is what is used.

          • says

            Yes all you guys are on track. This is a very important issue with which to deal. In our “numbers” climate it is easy to manipulate these folks into being “saved again” (what ever that means) and then being BAPTIZED. Another number! I appreciate those pastors who deal honestly with them to where there is an assurance gained rather than manipulating the situation to get another baptism.

            This post is rather rambled but perhaps you get the drift.

    • says

      Tarheel,

      Perhaps Dr. Kim’s greatest qualification is what you won’t read in that article. He said to me in a recent phone conversation, “I love the Southern Baptist Convention. I am proud to be a Southern Baptist. Our church fully cooperates with the Southern Baptist Convention.”

      Tarheel, that is the kind of leadership we need. His running and election has the potential of galvanizing and mobilizing SBC pastors who like him: (1) may not be from the South (2) see him as the future of the SBC and not the past (3) find his global appeal and fresh voice attractive and welcoming.

      Dr. Kim’s evangelism/discipleship material, and the vision of his church is apparently effective. There is much that all SBC pastors–small church, rural church, suburban church, Anglo church, African American church, Asian church, American churches, or International church–can learn from, and be inspired by. Thanks for your interest in Dr. Kim.

      • Tarheel says

        I’m open to it – as I’ve said I’m uncommitted to any candidate at this time – im’ma do some ‘learnin’ on Dr. Kim though!

  8. says

    D. L. Payton,

    Thanks for taking the time to read about, and consider supporting the man, ministry, and visionary leadership of Dr. Dennis Kim. I have grown to appreciate your blog comments. You never waste words, like some of us who often comment. You evoke thinking, assessing, and pondering when you speak.

    Based on the appreciation that I have developed over your blog commenting, what a joy and delight it would be to stand with you in affirming the global Kingdom discipleship thrust of Dr. Kim as the next President of the SBC. Thanks for weighing in here. Thanks for acknowledging this post. May God smile upon you as you seek to honor and serve Him the balance of your days. If you are in Baltimore, what a delight it would be to meet you.

    • says

      Dr. Dwight

      You are most gracious my brother. It would be my privilege to stand with you to spread the precious gospel of the Risen Christ.

  9. William Thornton says

    Global Mission Church, according to Ranier’s list of largest SBC churches ranked 245th last year with attendance of 1,673…below the megachurch threshold.

  10. Dale Pugh says

    This will be a powerful nomination, and I could see Kim winning the election. That, in my opinion, would be a good thing. Well done, Dwight! I appreciate your heart and motivation.

  11. says

    Researching Dennis Kim is encouraging. Learned of his church’s evangelism strategy:

    http://www.baptistlifeonline.org/2014/05/global-missions-evangelism-training-prompts-1000-touches-and-300-new-believers/

    In 2012, Manpoong “Dennis” Kim, senior pastor of Global Mission Church in Silver Spring, Md., suggested a new strategy, based on scripture, to build up the body of Jesus Christ. Specifically, Kim focused on what the Apostle Paul said in 2 Timothy 2:2, “The things which you have heard from me in the presence of many witnesses, entrust these to faithful men who will be able to teach others also.”

    Kim shared this vision with each of the Bible study classes and through his preaching, and he encouraged each of his leaders, and the lay cell group and Sunday school teachers to attend training for the new strategy.

    In just a short time, the number of people attending this training grew from 200 to almost 450 people.

    Kim provided a pictorial presentation of the Gospel, and trained and equipped the church’s key leaders, and their sub-leaders, the cell group leaders and Sunday school teachers. By this time, three generations—the pastor, his leaders, their sub-leaders—were training each other in evangelism. In the process, they discovered 623 prospects with whom to share the Gospel of Jesus Christ.

    “I tried to educate the core members and encourage them to share the Gospel with those on the list of prospects,” shared Kim, explaining, “We have not reached all 623 as of yet—but we have tried to reach 1,730 others” not on the list.

    Thirty percent of those individuals have made professions of faith. Another 30 percent were already believers and the rest either outright rejected or avoided the conversations, he said.

    “Quite a joyful result we have seen!” Kim rejoiced, explaining there have been several wonderful testimonies as a result of the effort.

    • volfan007 says

      Man, I like the evangelistic heart of this fella. it sounds like he has a heart for souls. And, it would be good for the SBC to have an Asian, elected leader. He has my vote.

      David

      • says

        David,

        Dr. Kim is a rare find. He is a jewel if a man. When I saw him speak from the floor at the SBC Convention a few years ago, I was captured by the fact that he spoke with a demeanor of humility, strength of character, and the confidence of a sage or partriarch. His consistent track record and corresponding church health and growth in discipleship and evangelism places him in a very lofty place in SBC life. We all could learn from and be influenced by his evangelistic prowess. I’m grateful that a man of your caliber and stature could research and evaluate Dr. Kim and reach the conclusion that you have. If we are truly going to be global and International in our outreach, what better man than Dr. Kim do we have to represent the heart and soul of the SBC at this juncture in our history?

  12. Bob Williford says

    With everything said about Dennis Kim there is no doubt that he is a gifted man of God who demonstrates his vision for evangelism and discipleship. But, then came the word ‘ethnic’ and the following statements caused me to shiver. Now, the entire nomination is not merely about a gifted man being placed on the ballot, but about politics. Why in the world cannot we just call this man a brother in Christ without the racial topic being broadcast? We have enough of this kind of thing in the secular world in which we live…..my suggestion is to leave it there. Speak only to who he is as a man of God.

    • says

      Bob, given how racially sensitive and easily offended our environment currently is, I understand your question. But it actually has an easy answer. Raising the issue of ethnicity isn’t “about politics.” These issues are, first and foremost, theological in nature. Scripture tells us that God created from one man every nation to live on the face of the earth, having determined the times and places of their habitation (Acts 17), and His ultimate goal is to have a people from every language, ethnic group and culture worshipping Him at the end of the age (Revelation 7). In short, race and ethnicity matter greatly to God. Additionally, cultures matter to God, since they evolve and develop through relational connections between those who bear His image. If these things matter to our God, they should matter to us.

      This is a particularly important subject when we are talking about a denomination like ours–which over its more than 150 year history has a pretty dismal approach to these issues. You are correct that no one should be chosen for high office merely because of their ethnicity. But Dr. Kim’s credentials for this role are undeniable. And, while I would never personally support someone simply because they represent and ethnic minority, Dr. Kim’s ethnicity is a HUGE plus for this denomination. We are a largely regional people, who have continental, and ultimately global, aspirations. We will be far more effective if we have highly qualified people leading us who represent the ethnic and cultural diversity of the world we aspire to reach with the message of Jesus. I think anyone who even casually observes our current landscape would admit that this cultural and ethnic diversity is not well-represented in the SBC. Mono-ethnic and mono-cultural worship is beneath what our Savior deserves, and if we want to help the world see a taste of what is coming in Revelation 7, we need our brothers and sisters who come from those various ethnic and cultural backgrounds LEADING us in those efforts.

      Now, with all that said, if someone other than Dr. Kim is elected President, it would be ridiculous to automatically point to racism as the culprit. I really think that for the most part, the SBC is well-beyond those days. But the fact that a prominent and effective African American leader is nominating a prominent and effective Asian leader for the highest office in the SBC should not escape our notice. The world will take note of it. But most importantly, I believe God smiles because of it.

      • Bob Williford says

        Joel, you stated, “I really think that for the most part, the SBC is well-beyond those days. But the fact that a prominent and effective African American leader is nominating a prominent and effective Asian leader for the highest office in the SBC should not escape our notice. The world will take note of it. But most importantly, I believe God smiles because of it.”

        I agree, but why should the idea of ‘ethnicity’ even be mentioned? His name alone says it all. Does God smile on the fact that someone other than an Anglo might be Pres. of the SBC again? I doubt that He really is involved with this because of the politics involved. I would suggest that the SBC is not ‘well beyond’ this today because of what is going on in our culture. Race is ‘in your face’ every day and we should not be enforcing by mentioning Bro. Kim’s race. For me this is not important and should not be mentioned. With that said, if he is elected or not, this will be at issue before and after the election. If he is not elected folks will be saying, “The SBC has missed an opportunity.” If he is elected Bro. Kim will be on NBC, CBS and FOX because of what the SBC has done. We all lose by monopolizing his race. He simply should be Brother Kim and nothing more. Period.

        • says

          Bob, it is not just his race. What is “race” anyway? It is the fact that he pastors a Korean church that has services in Korean yet is very active in SBC life. That transcends our traditional black- white divide and speaks to the positive, unifying work of the gospel in making us a global church as only God can do.

          There is no pointing out of racial or ethnic division here. There is only the pointing out of the unity provided in the Spirit in the way that the Bible addresses this issue. If you do not want to even acknowledge this at all from even a positive point of view, then you are going to have to ignore a lot of Scripture regarding what God says about the nations.

          Honestly, you seem to be focusing on race. I think that we are trying to talk about the biblical work of God among the nations being manifested in the church, just as God promises us will happen.

          • Bob Williford says

            No, I am not focus on ethnicity. What I am attempting to say here is what so many are afraid to comment on and have noticed in the statement of nomination. His ethnicity should not be mentioned. The only thing that is important to me is the fact of what the nominee has or has not done in reference to Kingdom work….nothing more. What he or she looks like or what degrees or positions are held is really of no importance here, and I truly think that God does not care, either. Jesus is Lord.

          • Tarheel says

            “There is no pointing out of racial or ethnic division here.”

            Really? I beg to differ – respectfully.

            Lots of talk about “white dudes supporting the black dude nominating the Asian dude”.

            Seems like differences in skin color are being played upon….I’m not sure that fosters the rejection of ethnic preference/focus.

          • Bob Williford says

            I have read your blog, “From a 39 Year Old Southern Baptist: Things That Younger Southern Baptists Should Know About the SBC” and find that I agree with you. My 67 years have taught me a great deal about who we are as SBCer’s and also my years overseas in Peru, as Pastor and as a retired staffer of the ABSC. Ethnicity should not play a role in the nomination of the President and therefore should not be mentioned…..just my opinion.

          • says

            Bob, You and I simply disagree on this issue, and like the rest of us, you are fully entitled to that viewpoint. So with this understood, let me simply encourage you to examine Dr. Kim’s credentials, and make a decision based on whether you believe he is the best candidate to lead us forward as a Convention. If you and I were to agree that he is the best candidate for this purpose, then let’s stand together on that.

          • says

            Tarheel,

            “No pointing out of ethnic or racial DIVISION here.”

            I see no one talking about division. I see us talking about unity among races, nations, people, and languages in Christ. If we want to act like there are no ethnic or cultural or language differences in the world, we can do that, but that is like saying that gravity does not exist. The beauty is that as a Christian we can recognize natural differences and then celebrate our supernatural unity in Christ. That is what I am talking about and that is what I am seeing discussed in Dr. Kim’s nomination.

    • Tarheel says

      Bob, I am sooooooo glad someone ELSE said that…I’ve been thinking it.

      Fighting the sin of racial preferences not only requires calling it out when it happens. I’ll say negatively ….but not focusing on it positively either.

      It should be that ethnicity is completely irrelevant in discussions and considerations….until then – we’re still showing racial preferences.

      • says

        Tarheel,

        It is never irrelevant. It is our context. We are never devoid of context or environment. All of Paul’s letters were written to people in certain places and times from backgrounds. The Bible talks about tribes and nations and cultures. The gospel goes to all of them. This is not a quota system. It is a celebration of what God has done in raising people up from different nations and backgrounds to lead us. That only makes us stronger because God is not of just one race.

        • Tarheel says

          Yes, Paul mentioned it….to make the point that all those in Christ are one family.

          • Tarheel says

            But now that faith has come, we are no longer under a guardian, for in Christ Jesus you are all sons of God, through faith. For as many of you as were baptized into Christ have put on Christ. There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is no male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus. And if you are Christ’s, then you are Abraham’s offspring, heirs according to promise. (Galatians 3:25-29 ESV)

          • Adam Blosser says

            Tarheel, certainly you recognize that the Scripture you quoted does not suggest that ethnic differences no longer exist, but that the gospel transcends ethnic lines. That is what those who mention the beauty of a black man nominating an Asian man are trying to communicate. God is calling out a people for Himself from every tribe, tongue, and nation. God is not color blind. He sees the great diversity of the people He is calling out and it brings Him great delight and glory.

            I hear what you are trying to say. I agree that Dr. Kim should not be the SBC president simply because he is Korean. However, I think his election would be a beautiful representation of the diversity of God’s kingdom.

            I have not decided for whom I will cast my ballot. Dr. Kim will receive due consideration, and his ethnic background will have very little to do with my decision. With that being said, there is certainly added benefit to his election in the realm of ethnic diversity.

          • Tarheel says

            Right, I’m not saying ethnicities shouldn’t /don’t exist certainly they do….I’m trying to say that preferences (whether positive or negative) based on them actually betray the inclusiveness of the gospel and exacerbate (focus on) external differences when.

            “Man looks on the outward appearance but God looks upon the heart.”

          • Dave Miller says

            It is usually white folks who are saying “Let’s forget all this race stuff and put the past in the past.”

            Our duty is to make sure that ethnics realize that we consider them full partners in Baptist work.

            Since we excluded minorities for over a century maybe we should go the second and third miles in reconciliation efforts.

          • Tarheel says

            David Miller.

            I certainly view all southern baptists who affirm the BFM as full partners in Southern Baptist work. What does skin color/tone have to do with that?

        • Tarheel says

          ….and have put on the new self, which is being renewed in knowledge after the image of its creator. Here there is not Greek and Jew, circumcised and uncircumcised, barbarian, Scythian, slave, free; but Christ is all, and in all. (Colossians 3:10, 11 ESV)

          • Tarheel says

            Btw, I welcome pushback on my posts regarding this.

            In my disgust toward the sin if racism perhaps I’m swinging too far here….it seems that many (most?) here disagree with my thinking (at least among regular commenters ….the way I look at it is that could mean y’all are right and I’m wrong or I’m right and y’all are wrong or even somewhere in the middle…I’d love to talk this out.

          • says

            Tarheel,

            I understand that you are trying to focus on the man and his character and not his ethnicity.

            Just like with Rev. Luter, we said that his race was not what qualified him. God qualified him and we were blessed to have him as president. But, we were able to celebrate that his call to serve as our president was a visible sign that God and His grace had transcended the sins of our past and that the gospel was more powerful still.

            If anyone said, let’s nominate Kim JUST because he is Asian, that would be wrong. But, take away his ethnicity and just look at who he is and his accomplishments and it is pretty mind blowing to me. Plus, we are able to continue to see the reconciling, unifying power of the gospel at work just as Scripture said it would be.

            The fact that Dr. Kim was approached my many in the Maryland area, as I have learned, and asked to serve, is also a strong testimony to his quality of life and ministry. The fact that he has done this in a largely Asian context is a blessing in that it demonstrates to all of us the truth of Scripture and God’s grace in a powerful way.

        • says

          I hesitated to enter this comment for fear of misspeaking or being misunderstood. I long for the day when ethnic background is not a factor either positive or negative. However there is this little nasty word “reality”. We simply are not there. Our most healthy option would be to admit that but say we are trying. Rather than ignoring a man’s ethnic background at this point in time lets acknowledge it an celebrate a step of progress. We can then take another step, then another etc. Perhaps then the day will come when our action is not determined by ethnic background. I pray earnestly that day will come.

          A very SERIOUS request! If anything I have said here is less than Christian or less than seeing a desire for racial equality to be a reality PLEASE be friend enough to me to point that out.

          • Bob Williford says

            I really believe that to put Bro. Kim in nomination without ethnic reference will go further than anyone could possibly imagine. His ethnicity is not at issue with me. He is an American who is a Baptist with unbelievable qualifications. And neither did I care if our present SBC President is a Black man. But what really bothers me is that we have made such a big deal about that. Let us take that step today without making racial equality an issue. Call his name in the nomination and forget what the languages he speaks because if God is in this, none of it makes a difference.

          • says

            I agree with Bob Williford here “I really believe that to put Bro. Kim in nomination without ethnic reference will go further than anyone could possibly imagine. His ethnicity is not at issue with me. “

          • says

            Bob
            I really do not disagree with you here for the most part. However for me racial equality is an issue. I pray for the day we will have equality. But we are not there yet. I am simply saying lets acknowledge and celebrate steps we take on our journey to the goal. Let’s acknowledge and celebrate that the tent is being widened in the SB family. I am excited about Dr. Kim’s nomination and possible election. I don’t want to pretend it is business as usual.

            I guess this is what is call an honest disagreement.

            Blessings my brother

          • Tarheel says

            DL….see there ya go being all wise and stuff again. ;-)

            We both desire an atmosphere where equality is achieved and any preferences based on race are not determinative in any way…

            But you’re right…we ain’t there yet.

      • says

        Tarheel,
        There are three leaders mentioned by name and by geographic roots or race who were the leaders of the church at Antioch(Acts 13: 1-2). Luke found it necessary to point out that the church at Antioch had racially diversified leadership. Why can’t we do the same?

        In Acts 6 the first church fight was over race and we are still fighting about race. Again, Luke specified race there, and it was the Grecian widows who played the “race card,” and Luje tells us that they solved the problem by electing 7 Greek males, men with Greek names, to distribute the food. It was no coincidence that the Greeks were charging racial discrimination, and Greek men were selected to fix the problem. Nowadays, we simply segregate and point fingers at each other. They stated together and worked out their issue. But notice that Greek men were empowered to lead and serve. There is no race issue here. There is a representation issue here. Balanced and blended representation mitigates racial issues and considerations.

        Question: do you believe that race played an issue in the election if Fred Luter? Do you believe that race played an issue in Luter having no opposition when he ran for President? If not, why not? If race player an issue when Luter ran, why would it be a problem now? If it was important for the SBC to make a statement with regard to their historic problematic and thorny relationship with Blacks, why wouldn’t it be important to empower Asians and welcome them to the leadership inclusive table as well?

        I agree that you don’t lower standards or qualifications because of race. But, when you ignore race, tge minority races often get ignored. History bears that out. You wanted pushback-feedback. You got it my friend.
        I look forward to meeting you in Baltimore. Volfan will be my bodyguard-:).

        • says

          Dwight,

          “Dr. Kim’s church gave 4.5% of their church budget to the Cooperative Program last year, while engaged in local, state, national, and global missions as a church family.”

          Where is the 4.5% figure coming from?

        • Tarheel says

          I gotta say, I think it was unhealthy …IMO that no one “dared” run or nominate another when Luter ran – both times – BECAUSE he is black. It actually, IMO weakened the “first” of a non Anglo S C prez.

          I voted for him obviously and am glad I did…it mattered not one iota to me that he has dark skin.

          The color of skin will not factor in this election either…at least not for me.

          • says

            Tarheel
            That is an astute observation. While I rejoiced greatly in Dr. Luter’s election that fact did come to mind. Perhaps the day will come when nominations will just be nominations. God grant that it be so.

            BTW Dr. Luter preach at our largest event in Montana and our people simply loved him. What a preacher.

        • Tarheel says

          You don’t need a body guard…unless your opposed to a firm brotherly handshake and hug. ;-)

    • says

      Bob
      I am in concert with your feeling here to a certain extent. I admittedly am conflicted about the use of “ethnic”. However his election would be a turning point and would show that there has been some progress in recent years. That might be worth spotlighting and celebrating. The operative word in the preceding sentence is “might”, i am not sure. Like I said I am conflicted on this point.

      The reason for celebration is that there would be a strong foundation upon which to build. As i said, it would show progress, yet there is still a long way to go to obtain racial equality.

  13. says

    If Floyd loses it is not because the SBC is against big churches.
    If Moore loses it is not because the SBC is against small churches.
    If Kim loses it is not because the SBC is racist.
    Just some things to consider.

    Also, some have wondered about three or more being nominated for president. If there were only two, would someone have a better chance?
    That is no problem.
    If no one receives over 50% in the first vote, there will be a runoff between to top two.
    David R. Brumbelow

      • says

        Yes.
        I think when Adrian Rogers was nominated as president of the SBC in 1979, there were six nominees for president.
        Adrian won on the first ballot.
        And thus began the Conservative Resurgence.
        David R. Brumbelow

        • says

          David
          I remember the atmosphere in the meeting that year. Everyone was prepared for a run off. When it was announced that Dr. Rogers had won on the first ballot there was a stunned silence and then an eruption of applause and cheers. The issues were clear at that point so everyone knew where the rank and file of SB stood on the issue.

          Dr. Rogers was nominated in 77 or 78 without his consent. He was sitting in the upper level in front of me . He rushed to the platform and said he would not run.

          If I am not mistaken he did not run for a second term in 80.

          • says

            What I really did not understand was the moderates continual contention that they represented the view of mainline SB when the candidate that represented the opposite won on first ballot out of 6 candidates. It was beyond my comprehension that they could continue to advocate that position.

          • volfan007 says

            i was at the SBC when Winfred Moore was defeated for President, and then, he was nominated for 1st VP. I voted for the Conservative opponent of Moore, and a moderate/liberal fella jumped all over me….red faced…screaming at me….telling me that I was…well, he told me a lot of things. I was a young man in Seminary, and on part time staff at Leawood Baptist Church in Memphis, at that time. My Pastor, Dr. jerry Glisson, saw the man berating me….and I was just standing there in shock that a Christian and Minister would act that way. And, Dr. Glisson came over to that red faced, angry, screaming man….put his hand on his shoulder, and in his soft, calming way, he said…to the effect of, “Friend, you voted your conscience, and he voted his conscience. Now, calm down, and leave him alone.” And, the man calmed down, and walked away.

            I’ll never forget the look on that wild, mad, angry man running towards me….screaming at the top of his lungs…all because I didn’t vote for Winfred Moore….boy, those were some wild times in the SBC.

          • says

            Volfan

            Oh yes! I saw and heard things that I thought i would never see or hear in a Christian gathering. I too was a young pastor and still naive
            enough to believe that Christians would act like Christians. I got an education.

  14. Tarheel says

    If Floyd loses it is not because the SBC is against big churches.
    If Moore loses it is not because the SBC is against small churches.
    If Kim loses it is not because the SBC is racist.
    Just some things to consider.

    I agree 100% with that!

    • says

      If Kim loses, there is a certain segment that will paint it as proof of the SBC’s continued racism.

      I’m interested in finding out more about the gentleman. Specifically, whether he is a compimentarian. I would not want any person as SBC president unless they were staunchly opposed to women preaching.

  15. William Thornton says

    4.5% to the Cooperative Program is a bit below average but it meets my threshold. I think RF and DK are in the same neighborhood here but don’t have all the stats.

        • says

          Thanks, William. 4.5% is still in that ballpark and is relatively consistent with what I have seen from other large church pastors.

          What is a mitigating factor here for me too is that he is operating outside of traditional Southern Baptist areas without strong state convention support. His church is also a church planting church that fosters a lot of ministry for others. In states where Baptist conventions have less resources, I can see the validity in larger churches bearing more of that burden.

  16. Jeff Johnson says

    I’m a novice when it comes to national SBC operations. From looking at the SBC Constitution, I gather that the SBC President’s duties consist of:

    1) Serving as a member of the Executive Committee
    2) Appointing the Committee on Committees
    3) Serving on the “several boards” (I take it this means IMB, NAMB, not sure what else)
    4) Acting as a representative of the SBC in promoting the mission of the Convention among local churches, associations, state conventions, and the general public

    Am I missing anything?

    • William Thornton says

      #4 would be the most important – the visible face of the SBC to the general public, which is why I would not vote for Jared. Experience, maturity, savvy are very critical here which he may have on time but not just yet. There isn’t much in the appointments these days unless you want to get into Calvinist/non Calvinist stuff. I’d love to see appointments move away from the same crowd.

      In years past (what the old codgers here want to talk about – Adrian, Moore, etc.) having a conservative celebrity mega pastor was important. It’s not that important now. I like the nomination of a solid choice who is not part of the old line oligarchy.

      • Jeff Johnson says

        I can see benefits to having an SBC President who is an influential pastor of a large church. Generally speaking, such a person will have:

        –Experience making decisions with others on behalf of a large, multi-faceted organization
        –A larger network of contacts with pastors and churches
        –Demonstrated communication skills in various media platforms
        –A more prominent “paper trail” of sermons and writings in which the candidate has taken stands on important issues
        –Recognition and social capital that will grant a wider audience among Southern Baptists and maybe other evangelicals

      • says

        William Said “I would love to see nominations move away from the same old crowd”.

        Amen! I never understood why we would elect two or three people from the same church to boards etc. when we had 44,000 churches to select from. I think that says something!

        I can also remember a time when a pastor was no longer eligible to serve on the executive committee so his wife was nominated.

  17. Scott B says

    This is not going to happen. Sorry to burst bubbles, but my prediction and opinion is this is not going to come about.
    Let me say this, I do not doubt that DK is a wonderful Christian and would make a fine president of the SBC. But, here are 3 reasons i don’t think this will happen.
    1. Nominator – no disrespect, just my opinion, but the nominator is a big deal. Dwight is a great guy, but he does not carry the clout of Mohler. Not even close. It doesn’t matter how good of a speech is made. In fact, there aren’t any bad nominating speeches. They are all good. It is all about who gives it.
    2. Politics – of course this is politics. We can cloak our hopes and wishes in all the theology we want, but we can never divorce this process from politics. That is just the way it works. IMO, Mohler didn’t just wake up and say, “I’m going to nominate RF.” No. There were calls, and emails and discussions with key/prominent SB leaders. There was a movement in place well before RF was nominated by Mohler. The same thing happened with Luter, IMO.
    3. It’s possible, but not likely. It is possible for someone to understand how the convention works and try and work up a ground swell of support for a “third party” candidate. There is always hope. But, it rarely, rarely comes about.

    These are just my speculative thoughts, and let me say again, I do not doubt for one minute the character and integrity of Dwight or Dk.

  18. Mark Terry says

    The election of Fred Luter was a big step, reflecting major progress, for the SBC. Now, we need to recognize the contributions of our many ethnic churches to the SBC. We need to elect non-WASPs to positions in our associations, state conventions, and the SBC. We need to make sure ethnic church leaders are chosen to be trustees for our institutions. The SBC is increasingly multicultural, and our leadership should reflect the make-up of the SBC. This will mean electing more Latinos, Koreans, Filipinos, Chinese, Vietnamese, etc. We know we’ll all be gathered around the throne of God (Rev. 7:9-10). Now, we need to be sure they have a place in the trustees’ meetings.

  19. says

    I think it would be best to leave out or change the way you word the part about ethnicity. It is nice to see people of all tongues, tribes, and nations be a part of the church. But your wording seems to imply that we have to elect Kim because he is not white and therefor it will make us look not racist. It was the same reason that I had when people were overjoyed at electing Fred Luter. I want to elect someone because they are qualified and not because they are or are not white. I keep hearing people say things like “we have kept nonwhites out for centuries.” Who is this we you are talking about? I do not know about you but I haven’t lived for centuries. I reject the notion that people are identified by their race and thus I am guilty for what some white people have done in the past.

    • Bob Williford says

      Joseph, what you have to say is what I think, too. What happened during and immediately after the Civil War truly has nothing to do with what is going on today. For someone to say, “My great grandfather owned slaves and….” or “My great grandfather was a slave and…” has no bearing on what we are doing today. Quite frankly, everyone must go beyond that. Most people that I know here in Arkansas….on the edge of the ‘deep South’ do not think that way. If we are to get away from that kind of attitude we must not promote it by saying this person or that person is of this ethnicity. Jesus was a Jew, but I never reference Him as my Jewish Savior. His is my Savior. He is my Lord. Just a thought.

  20. says

    Dr. Dwight

    I will not be able to attend the meeting this year in Baltimore. However, I will be watching it on my computer. So give me a wave, I will be the guy in the easy chair drinking coffee.

    Seriously, my brother, I will be praying as you make your nomination. It will be a exciting

  21. dr. james willingham says

    Well, dear bro. McKissic, I think I might have been thinking of the posses before the Civil War, the Pat rollers (patrollers), but even after the War Posses in the South were not exactly noted for being nice to any one, especially African Americans. And I could be wrong about this issue as it has been nearly a half century, since I examined it.

    • Wm. Dwight McKissic, Sr. says

      Dr. Willingham,

      I’m sure that you are right. But, as a child of the late 50’s and 60’s, I formed my definition of “posse” from watching westerns. Usually, when a posse went after somebody on a western, it was not a race based pursuit. That is probably how David W. was using this word as well. Or in his case he was talking about being a part of a Posse on my side. I appreciate learning though, the history and insight concerning “posse” that you shared. Thanks.

        • Wm. Dwight McKissic, Sr. says

          Dave,

          Thanks.

          BTW, your article on Race and Dr. Kim was one of the best I’ve read on the relevance or lack thereof of race within the context of church/denominational life. may your tribe increase.

          The more I learn about Dr. Kim, the more impressed I am. His increased profile should bf of value to his commitment to advance the Kingdom, regardless to the outcome of this election.

          Look forward to seeing you in Baltimore. What time and where will be the SBC Voices bloggers fellowship? Thanks again for your labor of love here and including me as a part of your team. I feel accepted, respected, and at home here, perhaps more-so than in any other context in the SBC. Thanks for the friendship and open door.

          Doug Hibbard is a brother beloved as well. I’ll get a chance to have lunch with him Friday. I look forward to reconnecting with him. I love it when you are out and Doug is in charge. He is nicer than you-:). I appreciate the two of you for letting me be a part of the SBC Posse.

  22. Greg Harvey says

    I would like to hope that we’re at the point that the Convention can benefit from clearly open nominations followed by the expectation that God will guide us to choose the right man. There was a time that it seemed necessary to choose a candidate that came in with the full blessing of the vast majority of conservatives. Now the expectation is that they all will be those kinds of people.

    I don’t know Pastor Dr. Kim. But the fact that he leads a Korean-language congregation near our nation’s capital and has led this specific congregation for over two decades demonstrates the kind of missionary-mindedness that I think draws not only men and women to Christ Jesus, but Southern Baptists to supporting our IMB and NAMB: the hope that this is a faith for everyone regardless of family, nation, language or previous creed.

    I’m going to look forward to hearing more about this election regardless who is elected. Thanks for nominating Pastor Kim, Dwight.

  23. says

    I am not a Southern Baptist–I am non-denominational. But as President of James 2 Association, an Evangelical Christian nonprofit with a mission to unite churches across racial/ethnic lines and Desegregate Sundays, I believe that electing Rev. Dennis Kim as SBC President would be a great step forward for integrative race relations in the Body of Christ. That would truly represent an inclusive expanding of the proverbial pie for God’s people of all backgrounds–and not just because Rev. Kim is Korean. It is also because he is a very Godly man, and very accomplished in all the ways cited by Rev. McKissic. Most significantly, he has taken steps to promote diversity and welcome non-Koreans at his church. I know: I am one of the ones he welcomed.

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