As popes go, Jorge Bergoglio seems to be a nice enough guy. He is from Latin America: a mark in his favor, in my book. He appears to have strong convictions on important moral, ethical, and social issues. He seems to prefer a simple lifestyle, at least in comparison to a lot of the pomp and circumstance that normally goes along with the office of priest/bishop. He even, from what I gather, appears to be on comparatively friendly terms with Evangelicals. All fine and well. Only time will tell what his legacy in the role of supreme leader of the Roman Catholic Church will be.
Seemingly lost in the shuffle and the hoopla, even among many Evangelical commentators, though, is any serious analysis of the legitimacy of the office of the papacy itself. By definition, as Protestants, we do not accept the role of the pope as our spiritual father or the vicar of Christ. In the midst of the media lovefest, though, it appears as if many are willing to turn a blind eye to this, or to sweep it under the carpet, as it were.
I hope to not come across as mean-spirited in what I write here. Far too much Evangelical commentary on the issue of the papacy tends to fall either on the one extreme of broadminded muddleheadedness or on the other of caustic Catholic bashing. I count many Roman Catholics as dear friends, and respect the sincere beliefs of many who are following the truth as they understand it.
When broaching the subject of the legitimacy of the papacy, most Evangelicals have traditionally focused on the correct interpretation of Matthew 16:18, “And I tell you, you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.” And, indeed, as Bible-centered Christians I believe we are right to focus our attention on what the Word of God itself says. But I do not want to focus here on that. There are already many fine commentaries that are readily available that speak convincingly to this (see here for a good sample).
Another aspect of the discussion on the legitimacy of the papacy, however, that is not quite so widely known by Evangelicals is that of early post-apostolic church history. There is not space here to give an exhaustive treatment of this question, and, even if there were, it would no doubt be better to leave such an endeavor in the hands of someone who is more of an expert on church history than I. There are a few points, though, of which many are not aware, on which I would like to present a brief overview.
The pope, in addition to being regarded as the Supreme Pontiff of the Catholic (or worldwide) Church, is the Bishop of Rome. In early church history, before the role of pope as leader of the worldwide Church evolved into what it eventually became, the first popes on the list of the 266 supposed successors of Peter were simply the metropolitan bishops (or citywide supervisors) of the different meetings of believers in the city of Rome. It is only after the emergence and evolution of the state-church on the heels of the legalization of Christianity by Constantine, and the proclamation of Christianity as the official state religion by Theodosius, that the role and influence of the Bishop of Rome as titular head of the Catholic Church began to be consolidated. Once set in motion, however, the process was relatively rapid. Catholic historians generally recognize this, explaining that God’s plan for the full development of the Church was implemented incrementally down through history in response to the guidance of the Holy Spirit.
What is often left out of the explanation, however, is the fact that, until the second half of the second century A.D., there was no Bishop of Rome, per se. What did exist was a series of house church meetings scattered throughout the city of Rome, each with its own elder(s) or presbyter(s).* Archaelogical and historical evidence points to at least seven of these different house fellowships, located in different neighborhoods. The same evidence points to the likelihood that at least some of the believers in these fellowships knew each other, and, in some ways, considered themselves to jointly comprise the Church (or the conglomerate Body of Christ) in the city of Rome. But, up until the second half of the second century, there was no one individual they recognized as supervisor of the collective congregations.
As German historian and theologian Peter Lampe writes in his landmark study Christians at Rome in the First Two Centuries: From Paul to Valentinus:
The fractionation in Rome favored a collegial presbyterian system of governance and prevented for a long time, until the second half of the second century, the development of a monarchical episcopacy in the city. Victor (c. 189–99) was the first who, after faint-hearted attempts by Eleutherus (c. 175–89), Soter (c. 166–75), and Anicetus (c. 155–66), energetically stepped forward as monarchical bishop and (at times, only because he was incited from the outside) attempted to place the different groups in the city under his supervision or, where that was not possible, to draw a line by means of excommunication. Before the second half of the second century there was in Rome no monarchical episcopacy for the circles mutually bound in fellowship (p. 397).
One of the main objections to this thesis proposed by Catholic apologists is the existence in church history of lists of supposed bishops of Rome that go all the way back to Peter. The source of these lists can be traced to two men, Hegesippus and Irenaeus, and they are recorded in the Church History of Eusebius, who, as a close confidant and spiritual mentor of the Emperor Constantine, had plenty of motive for supporting Constantine’s vision of a united worldwide Church centered in Rome.
There is good reason to believe, however, that the lists of Roman bishops composed by Hegesippus and Irenaeus are projections into the past, reading contemporary circumstances back into former times. They are, according to Lampe,
…a fictive construction. The names that were woven into the construction were certainly not freely invented but were borrowed from the tradition of the city of Rome (for example, ‘Clement’ or the brother of Hermas, ‘Pius’). They had belonged to presbyters of Roman church history. These persons, however, would never have understood themselves as monarchical leaders—especially Pius at the time of Hermas (p. 406)
There is also discrepancy among early Christian sources accepted as authoritative by the Catholic Church with regard to Clement’s place in the list of Roman bishops, with Tertullian identifying him as the second, immediately following Peter (The Prescription Against Heretics 32), and Irenaeus placing him third, after Linus and Anacletus (Against Heresies 3.3.3).
Why is this such a big deal? For the Roman Catholic Church, the significance and authority of the papacy hinges on the pope’s place as occupant of the so-called Chair of Peter (not a physical chair, but the position).
The earliest allusions to the significance of the Bishop of Rome as a referent for the worldwide Church come from Irenaeus, who, in the late second century, seeking a systematic way to divide between orthodox believers and heretics, pointed to the church of Rome as one example (in addition to others) of a local church which could trace its existence to a line of faithful followers of the apostles, and its bishop (who, by this time, was firmly entrenched in the position) as its official representative. Ironically, however, this did not prevent Irenaeus from openly voicing his discrepancies on various matters (such as the proper date to celebrate Easter) with Victor, the Bishop of Rome.
It is Eusebius himself who informs us of this:
Thereupon Victor, who presided over the church at Rome, immediately attempted to cut off from the common unity the parishes of all Asia, with the churches that agreed with them, as heterodox; and he wrote letters and declared all the brethren there wholly excommunicate. But this did not please all the bishops. And they besought him to consider the things of peace, and of neighborly unity and love. Words of theirs are extant, sharply rebuking Victor. Among them was Irenaeus, who, sending letters in the name of the brethren in Gaul over whom he presided, maintained that the mystery of the resurrection of the Lord should be observed only on the Lord’s day. He fittingly admonishes Victor that he should not cut off whole churches of God which observed the tradition of an ancient custom. . . (Church History 5.24.9–11).
In the late third century, in the context of the Novatianist controversy, Cyprian, the bishop of Carthage, picked up on Ireneaus’ reference to Rome as an arbiter with relation to doctrinal discrepancies among different churches and church leaders, and pointed to “the chair of Peter” (an allusion to the office of the Bishop of Rome as the supposed successor of Peter) as the rallying point of mutual agreement among bishops of different churches. According to Catholic historian Julio Campos, Cyprian regarded consultation with the Bishop of Rome on doctrinal controversies not as “a jurisdictional recognition, but rather a matter of conventional courtesy, which notifies other bishops, but above all the first bishop of Christendom, showing him preferential treatment with respect to others” (Obras de San Cipriano, 53–54, translation mine).
Even Cyprian, however, who found in Cornelius, the Bishop of Rome, an ally in his quarrel against Novatian, had his public points of disagreement with a subsequent Bishop of Rome, Stephen. This disagreement is astoundingly evident in Epistle 74 (written by Firmilian, Bishop of Caesarea Mazaca, to Cyprian) of the collection of documents known to us today as the Epistles of Cyprian:
But that they who are at Rome do not observe those things in all cases which are handed down from the beginning, and vainly pretend the authority of the apostles; any one may know also from the fact, that concerning the celebration of Easter, and concerning many other sacraments of divine matters, he may see that there are some diversities among them, and that all things are not observed among them alike, which are observed at Jerusalem, just as in very many other provinces also many things are varied because of the difference of the places and names. And yet on this account there is no departure at all from the peace and unity of the Catholic Church, such as Stephen has now dared to make; breaking the peace against you, which his predecessors have always kept with you in mutual love and honour, even herein defaming Peter and Paul the blessed apostles, as if the very men delivered this who in their epistles execrated heretics, and warned us to avoid them. Whence it appears that this tradition is of men which maintains heretics, and asserts that they have baptism, which belongs to the Church alone (6).
And in this respect I am justly indignant at this so open and manifest folly of Stephen, that he who so boasts of the place of his episcopate, and contends that he holds the succession from Peter, on whom the foundations of the Church were laid, should introduce many other rocks and establish new buildings of many churches; maintaining that there is baptism in them by his authority. . . . Stephen, who announces that he holds by succession the throne of Peter, is stirred with no zeal against heretics, when he concedes to them, not a moderate, but the very greatest power of grace . . . And now he hesitates in vain to consent to them, and to be a partaker with them in other matters also, to meet together with them, and equally with them to mingle their prayers, and appoint a common altar and sacrifice (17).
And yet Stephen is not ashamed to afford patronage to such in opposition to the Church, and for the sake of maintaining heretics to divide the brotherhood and in addition, to call Cyprian a false Christ and a false apostle, and a deceitful worker (26).
From Constantine on, though, with the increasing importance conceded to the Church of Rome and its Bishop under the new arrangement with the Roman government, the supposed “Chair of Peter” came to be regarded more and more as the basis of the authority of the Bishop of Rome not only in spiritual matters but also in secular ones. Today, it is precisely this connection that the Vatican puts forth as its defense for the office of the pope.
The Catholic Church has traditionally accused Protestants of the sin of schism. From another perspective, however—a more specifically biblical one—might it be Rome itself that is guilty of schism? The apostle Paul wrote to the Corinthians, “I appeal to you, brothers, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that all of you agree, and that there be no divisions among you, but that you be united in the same mind and the same judgment. . . . What I mean is that each one of you says, ‘I follow Paul,’ or ‘I follow Apollos,’ or ‘I follow Cephas,’ or ‘I follow Christ’” (1 Cor 1:10–12). Does not setting up the supposed Chair of Peter as the focal point for unity among a certain group of Christians and for the exclusion of others amount to the same thing as saying, “I follow Cephas”? And yet this is precisely what the Roman Catholic Church has done. Even the supposedly ecumenically friendly documents of Vatican II make this abundantly clear: “The Roman Pontiff, as the successor of Peter, is the perpetual and visible principle and foundation of unity of both the bishops and of the faithful” (Lumen gentium, 23).
Pope Francis may well be, in many respects, a good man. Hopefully he can have a positive influence regarding issues of justice and morality in the world. Hopefully he can do something to put a stop to the corruption and the insidious plague of sexual abuse that has infiltrated the structures of the Church at every level. In all of that I wish him well. But inasmuch as he proposes to bring Christians together under the aegis of the so-called Chair of Peter as embodied in the office of the papacy, you can count me out. True Christian unity is based, not in submission to a fellow human being or to hierarchical structures, but in the gospel of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. And this gospel, correctly understood, is the gospel of grace alone through faith alone in Christ alone.
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*Evidence is uncertain as to whether each individual house church had a plurality of elders, or if the plural eldership functioned on more of a city-wide inter-congregational basis.
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Fascinating and enlightening. Thank you, David.
David,
Thanks for writing this. I appreciate you referencing the Catholic arguments here as they obviously see their history differently. The best approach in these discussions is to look at what each side says about themselves and weigh it. I have learned a lot from studying how Catholics see their own theology, history, and ecclesiology. In many cases, it causes my head to spin, but in all cases I find that their answers are different from what I went into the subject matter expecting – even if I still disagree with them as I do on many fundamental issues.
Lots to consider here. As with all good research, the best part is when it sends us studying aspects on our own that we had not thought about before. Thanks.
Excellent article! I’ve been reading some of Cipriano de Valera’s works and in one of them (probably his Two Treatises he spends a considerable amount of time up front addressing the number and succession of the Popes of Rome.
David,
Good research and analysis on this subject.
The Church lists
St. Clement of Rome, St. Ignatius of Antioch, and St. Polycarp of Smyrna
as writers who had contact with the original Apostles.
You can read their writings by looking them up in ABC order here:
http://www.newadvent.org/fathers/
(caveat: be sure to observe any notations of ‘SPURIOUS’, which indicates that the writing may not be authentic)
Following reading the writings of Clement (of Rome), Ignatius (of Antioch), and Polycarp,
you can then begin exploring the writings of the Ante-Nicene Fathers.
These writings are not sacred Scripture. And the ‘spurious’ ones are absolutely not genuine, as has been proven by the Church.
Hope this helps if folks are pursuing the writings of the early Fathers which contain references to Church history, as well as valuable information of the formation of Christian doctrines in the Church.
Excellent work. Thanks.
It was interesting to see Luis Palau’s reaction to the selection of Francis I. Can you think of any ways this could affect missions to Latin America or outreach to Hispanics in the U.S.?
David,
Thanks for writing this. A friend asked me yesterday, “Just how did this pope thing get started,” and I couldn’t answer that. Do you have any suggestions of something a Bapatist layperson might read to gain greater understanding of Catholicism through the ages?
Perhaps this link can help. ( If you click on each of the names on the list, there is a ‘bio’ given containing references. It’s easy to use and may prove worth your time):
http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/12272b.htm
Oops. Baptist, not Bapatist
Mary Ann,
Than is a really good question, and one I wish were not so hard to answer. There are a number of books that deal with the doctrinal differences between Catholics and Evangelicals, and those that deal with issues related to ecumenical dialogue between Catholics and Evangelicals, but it is hard for me to think of something along the lines you mention.
I do have a set of cassettes by William Webster on “Roman Catholic Tradition: Its Roots and Evolution” released in 1993 that, if you could get a hold of it, may well be the best thing available. I would recommend googling to try to find Webster’s website and see what resources he currently has available.
The most thorough resource of which I am aware is a big 2-volume set on “Roman Catholicism: a History of the Church Councils,” in Spanish, by Jose Grau. But, that I am aware, this is only available in Spanish, and is like 600 pages each volume.
It would also be somewhat helpful to read standard texts on church history in general, such as Justo Gonzales, to get a general introduction to the subject matter. Someone else may well have a better recommendation here. I’m not sure what the standard church history texts in seminary today are.
Also, though his tone can at times be a little more strident than what I fell comfortable with, James White is usually a good source of apologetic material as well. I think he may have several titles on topics related to all this, though I haven’t personally read them.
Then there is always the old stand-by, Lorraine Boettner, but he falls a bit on the Catholic-bashing side of things for my taste.
Here is a link to the Webster resource:
http://www.christiantruth.com/store_audio.php
Even better, here is a link to the same material on free downloadable MP3 files:
http://www.christiantruth.com/audiolectures.php
I’m really glad you got me thinking about this. I wasn’t aware this was available in this format.
Bill Webster has some great material on his site. His co-author in the Scripture Alone series, David King, is a friend of mine.
Andrew,
In the documents of ECT and pretty much all the various Evangelical-Catholic dialogues there is discussion over inter-confessional proselytism and legitimate evangelism. There are some who would like for Evangelicals to call a moratorium on missionary work in traditionally Catholic lands. There are others who see in the Catholic new evangelization emphasis an opportunity for Evangelicals and Catholics to work more closely together. But from a Catholic perspective evangelization does not mean exactly the same thing as from a traditional conservative Evangelical perspective, as it has more overtones of efforts toward cultural transformation than of personal conversion to Christ. Then again, perhaps this pope will be less given to calling Evangelical groups “Protestant sects” and this may help to take away any of the remaining stigmatization if being Evangelical in Latin America and other traditionally Catholic lands. It is also possible that this pope might have an influence toward making it more popular in Latin America to be a practicing Catholic and not just a cultural one, a sort of revival and revitalization of Catholicism, if you will. I am sure it is this last option that most Catholics are hoping for.
David, Thanks for this scholarly opus on Roman Catholics. For years you and I worked in the heart of their territory in Spain; you @ Alcala de Henares and me @ Torrejon AFB. My time was much earlier (’66-’69) than yours. Much insight to be gained for both us in the “Bed down” eras. The Whittens,(John and Indy) lovely couple, were Baptist missionaries in Madrid at that time. They introduced me to a great book by Carmen Irizary(sp) about the life and hardships of Protestants living in Spain.–padlocks placed on church doors by the Guardia Civil, no burial in local cemeterys, and no weddings performed. It was in the heart of Generalissimo Franco’s heyday. Hopefully, things have improved now. I have a love for Spain, as do you; and I recommend the reading of Michenor’s “IBERIA.”
Every Sunday, I listen to your father’s message from Bellevue, and thank God for his Integrity, Intellect and Compassion.
Prentice,
Thanks for checking in, and for reminiscing over shared experiences in Spain. I miss those days.
One additional thought on the growth in prominence of the bishop of Rome. As power shifted from Rome to Constantinople, it left something of a power vacuum in the west. This vacuum only intensified with continued barbarian invasions and the fall of Rome. With political structure pretty well decimated, it seems to me people would have increasingly turned to alternate sources of authority and this source was found in the Catholic church and the bishop who occupied what had been the seat of imperial power, adding to his influence.
This is speculative on my part, but seems reasonable.
Chris,
That is true. Also this:
Among the factors that led to a more central role in Christendom for the bishop of Rome was the evangelization of barbarian tribes from the north of Europe, who tended to view Rome as the mother church and the bishop of Rome as the chief of the Christian bishops. Increasingly audacious claims to a unique authority by Innocent I (401–417), Boniface I (418–422), and Celestinus I (422–432) paved the way for Leo I, who, according to Grau, “picked up all this heritage of privileges and aspirations, and taking advantage of the special circumstances of his moment in history was able to outline that grandiose institution of the papacy which in the Middle Ages held sway as the universal rule in the Church.”
Makes sense. If I recall correctly, the barbarians were surprisingly receptive to Christianity. Rather than opposing it in favor of their traditional views, they embraced it, though with some syncretistic elements.
Well researched. Thanks for the hard work! So it seems episcopacy was fairly late on the scene in the city of Rome. When Jesus said, “You are Peter and upon this rock i will build my church” what did he really mean? I think there are a few interpretations. Any ideas on that, anyone?
Excellent writing, David. I especially appreciate your reference to the sources in the early centuries. I had occasion to research many of those same sources. In my case, I was looking for information on what is identified as the sects, i.e., the Montanists, Novatianists, Donatists, etc. It was interesting to find out that a Novatianist was the commander of the last Roman Garrison of Great Britain. He was the son of the Novation Bishop of Constantinope and later became the Novatian Bishop after his father’s death. What I found even more interesting is that the church of Philadelphia in Asia Minor seems to have lasted past the Dark Ages and that the Waldensians were said, by the Roman Inquisitor, Reinarius Saccho, to have a church in Philadelphia in the 1200s as well as in Constantinople. Some churches have tried to trace their succession back to our Lord through the Philadelphia Church, an interesting and fascinating thought, except the Holy Spirit can easily raise up a new church of believers.
Not to beat RC’s over the head with it, but many who are so enamored with the office of Pope don’t know the history of many of those Popes.
There was a time in history when Popes were said to be chaste if they limited their sexual encounters to women.
Anyway, I wish this new Pope all the best and pray he does good things in the Catholic Church.
I got this from Wikipedia:
Popes sexually active before receiving Holy Orders
Pope Pius II (1458–1464) had at least two illegitimate children, one in Strasbourg and one in Scotland, both born before he entered the clergy. Pius delayed becoming a cleric because of the requirement of chastity.[12]
Pope Innocent VIII (1484–1492) had two illegitimate children during his licentious youth, both born before he entered the clergy.[13] According to the 1911 Encyclopædia Britannica, he “openly practised nepotism in favour of his children”.[14] Girolamo Savonarola chastised him for his worldly ambitions.[15]
Pope Clement VII (1523–1534) had one illegitimate son before he took holy orders. Academic sources[who?] identify him with Alessandro de’ Medici, Duke of Florence.[16][self-published source][17][better source needed]
Pope Gregory XIII (1572–1585) had an illegitimate son before he took holy orders.[18][19]
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Popes who were, or may have been, sexually active after receiving Holy Orders
Pope Julius II (1503–1513) had three illegitimate daughters, one of whom was Felice della Rovere (born in 1483, twenty years before his election).[20] The schismatic Council of Pisa, which sought to depose him in 1511, accused him of being a “sodomite covered with shameful ulcers.”[21]
Pope Paul III (1534–1549) who, according to some sources, held off ordination in order to continue his promiscuous lifestyle, fathering four illegitimate children (three sons and one daughter) by his mistress Silvia Ruffini.[22][self-published source] He broke his relations with her ca. 1513. There is no evidence of sexual activity during his papacy. He made his illegitimate son Pier Luigi Farnese the first Duke of Parma.[23][not in citation given]
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Popes sexually active, or accused of being sexually active, during pontificate
Pope Sergius III (904–911) was accused by his opponents of being the illegitimate father of Pope John XI by Marozia.[24] These accusations are found in Liutprand of Cremona’s Antapodosis,[25] as well as the Liber Pontificalis.[26][page needed] The accusations are disputed by another early source, the annalist Flodoard (c. 894–966): John XI was brother of Alberic II, the latter being the offspring of Marozia and her husband Alberic I, so John too may have been the son of Marozia and Alberic I. Bertrand Fauvarque emphasizes that the contemporary sources backing up this parenthood are dubious, Liutprand being “prone to exaggeration” while other mentions of this fatherhood appear in satires written by supporters of late Pope Formosus.[27]
Pope John X (914–928) had romantic affairs with both Theodora and her daughter Marozia, according to Liutprand of Cremona in his Antapodosis:[28][better source needed] “The first of the popes to be created by a woman and now destroyed by her daughter”.[citation needed] (See also Saeculum obscurum)
Pope John XII (955–963) was accused by his adversaries of adultery and incest.[29][30] The monk Benedict of Soracte noted in his volume XXXVII that he “liked to have a collection of women”. According to Liutprand of Cremona in his Antapodosis,[25] “they testified about his adultery, which they did not see with their own eyes, but nonetheless knew with certainty: he had fornicated with the widow of Rainier, with Stephana his father’s concubine, with the widow Anna, and with his own niece, and he made the sacred palace into a whorehouse.” According to E. R. Chamberlin, John XII was “a Christian Caligula whose crimes were rendered particularly horrific by the office he held”.[31] Some sources report that he was rumoured to have died 8 days after being stricken by paralysis while in the act of adultery,[29] others that he was killed by the jealous husband while in the act of committing adultery.[32][33][34][35] (See also Saeculum obscurum)
Pope Benedict IX (1032– became pope in 1044, again in 1045 and finally 1047–1048).[36] He was accused by Bishop Benno of Piacenza of “many vile adulteries.”[37][38] Pope Victor III referred in his third book of Dialogues to “his rapes… and other unspeakable acts.”[39] His life prompted Saint Peter Damian to write an extended treatise against sex in general, and homosexuality in particular. In his Liber Gomorrhianus, Damian accused Benedict IX of routine sodomy and bestiality and sponsoring orgies.[40] In May 1045, Benedict IX resigned his office to pursue marriage.[41]
Pope Alexander VI (1492–1503) had a long affair with Vannozza dei Cattanei before his papacy, and by her had his illegitimate children Cesare and Lucrezia. A later mistress, Giulia Farnese, was the sister of Alessandro Farnese, who later became Pope Paul III. Alexander fathered at least seven, and possibly as many as ten illegitimate children.[42]
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Popes accused of having male lovers during pontificate
Pope Paul II (1464–1471) is popularly thought to have died due to indigestion arising from eating melon in excess,[43][44] though a rumour was spread by his detractors that he died while engaging in sodomy.[citation needed]
Pope Sixtus IV (1471–1484) was alleged to have awarded gifts and benefices to court favourites in return for sexual favours. Giovanni Sclafenato was created a cardinal by Sixtus for “ingenuousness, loyalty,…and his other gifts of soul and body”,[45][better source needed] according to the papal epitaph on his tomb.[46][verification needed]
Pope Leo X (1513–1521) was allegedly a practising homosexual, according to some modern and contemporary sources (Francesco Guicciardini and Paolo Giovio). He was alleged to have had a particular (albeit one-sided) infatuation for Marcantonio Flaminio.[47]
Pope Julius III (1550–1555) was alleged to have had a long affair with Innocenzo Ciocchi del Monte. The Venetian ambassador at that time reported that Innocenzo shared the pope’s bed.[48]
If not all exactly true, much if not most is true. There are other accounts of these self-indulgent Popes that you can find.
My point in all of that is to show that these are just men. Sinful men.
There were a lot of really sinful men, that God used. But so many Catholics place these Popes on pedestals and make demigods out of them.
To show that I can take what I dish out, here are some disgusting quotes from the man that my own denomination has taken it’s name…Martin Luther:
http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/anti-semitism/Luther_on_Jews.html
The point is that we don’t make fallen men, “infallible”. There is only one mediator between men and God and that is the Lord Jesus. (that’s in the Bible, somewhere)
Well, Romanism has really lost a great deal of crediblity in the modern era, at least in Europe and America. The scandals of pedophilia and homosexuality have added immensely to that. I don’t see how anyone can trust that institution anymore. They really pulled out their trump card when they brought a Latin American in.
What makes you think ‘they’ chose him?
What do you understand of conclave?
In case some of you missed it, Al Mohler had some spot-on comments about the papacy that are ruffling feathers in certain sectors:
http://www.albertmohler.com/2013/03/14/the-briefing-03-14-13/