Beloved, never avenge yourselves, but leave it to the wrath of God, for it is written, “Vengeance is mine, I will repay, says the Lord.” Romans 12:19
It is clear from the discussion of Dr. Thomas White’s post, that we all agree with this proposition: The Westboro group is not Christian, not Baptist and not even a church. They are false – publicity hounds who preach a message of hate that twists God’s Word and gives the church a black eye in the process. The discussion was odd, because we had people who normally argue about just about everything who were uniting to condemn the Westboro Cult.
So, we all agree that they are evil. The question is this: what should we do about them? Should we ignore them and hope they go away? Should we confront them and “fight fire with fire”? We all agree on the basic premise. We do not agree about the solution.
I have a proposal to advance, based on an experience I had in Cedar Rapids. I will share the story, advance my proposal, then let you decide just how big an idiot I really am.
The Story
Several years ago, the nation was up in arms about the moral degradation being perpetrated on society by a bizarre musician who goes by the name Marilyn Manson. Having grown up in the church, he went the other direction as he grew up. He is, I’ve been told, vile, profane, even blasphemous.
In city after city, Christians were turning out to protest the concerts he was giving. Concert-goers had to run a gauntlet of Baptists and Pentecostals united to inform them that a Marilyn Manson concert was the first stop on the Hellfire Express. The protests seemed to energize the Manson fans. He kept getting bigger and bigger.
Then, he announced a concert at the Five Seasons Center in Cedar Rapids. My pastor’s prayer group discussed this. I have to tell you, I never got that upset about it. I didn’t plan to attend and neither did my kids, so it was never a big deal to me. But for some of the pastors, it was a huge thing. They felt that Manson was connected in the demonic Cosa Nostra and something needed to be done about it.
Someone came up with an idea that I really liked. First, we prayed – a lot. Can’t really go wrong seeking God, can we? Then, they tried something counterintuitive to the protests that had been going on in so many places. The concert was in the heat of summer. So, the churches of Cedar Rapids banded together and met the concertgoers on the way to the stadium.
No, they did not hear protests. They received water, pop (that’s what we call cola here), and even pizza. Church people met them with a smile, blessed them with refreshments, and prayed for them as they went in. That was a real shocker to the Manson crowd used to being assaulted by Christian people on the way to their concerts.
And an amazing thing happened that night. Marilyn Manson came on stage and a couple of songs into his set, he got mad at the sound technicians because something wasn’t to his liking. He threw a tantrum and walked off the stage.
Are those two events related? I don’t know. Only eternity will tell and we’ll probably have bigger things to think about in the presence of the Savior. But I can tell you this. In Cedar Rapids, Christians gathered together to bless Manson’s fans instead of yelling at them. And something weird happened out of the blue which led Manson himself to end his concert.
You make the call.
The Scripture
The principle spelled out in Romans 12:19 is largely ignored. We are told not to seek vengeance, but to step back and leave room for the just wrath of God to take care of things. It seems to me that the implication of that passage is that our attempts to balance the books of justice may hinder the workings of God’s perfect justice.
There are two things that are clearly affirmed in this passage. First, vengeance belongs to God and God alone. Whenever I attempt to balance the books and seek justice, I am usurping a right that belongs to God alone. Second, God promises to enforce perfect justice. He asks us to get out of the way and leave the justice to him. Sometimes, he does it here on earth. Sometimes it happens quickly, but usually it takes time. In eternity, perfect justice is enforced on all creation.
The Proposal
Is it possible that the Marilyn Manson treatment might work on the Westboro Cult? Here’s what I’m talking about. Whenever we hear that the Westboro Cult is coming to town, the churches take responsibility for dealing with these false brethren.
I am not talking about protests or trying to out-shout the Westboro bunch. Why not surround them with Christian love? Christian people gather, encircle the Westboro protesters, and engage them with cordiality, not insults. In doing this, the Christians (and others) would shield those the Westboro Cult is trying to insult. Their signs would be blocked. Perhaps, as we engage them with kindness, Proverbs 15:1 would be put into effect, “A gentle answer turns away wrath.”
While we all agree that Westboro is not a Christian group, or a church, they identify themselves as a Baptist church. We disavow them, as we should. But because they identify themselves as part of the Baptist world, perhaps it would be well for us to devise a strategy of engagement to deal with them. And perhaps we would remember that the weapons of our warfare are not earthly. We do not fight the way the world fights.
We fight with the power of God’s love. We fight with spiritual weapons that have the power to do tear down the strongholds of evil. Maybe we should take up those spiritual weapons and face this evil group down.
Here’s what I’m suggesting.
1) Baptists and other evangelicals accept the responsibility to deal with the hate-merchants from Westboro.
2) When they announce their plans to come to a place, we gather together to “surround them with love.”
3) We get a group of people to stand around the Westboro folks, to behave in relentless cordiality as we surround them. We speak kindly to them. Offer them something to drink if they need it. Sing hymns. Pray. We just get enough people out there to encircle the Westboro people.
That protects the grieving family from the vile insults they would receive. We try to “kill them with kindness.”
I wonder what would happen if everywhere the Westboro Cult appears they are surrounded by kind and loving Christians who treat them cordially but prevent them from getting their message across? Would they eventually give up? Would God repay their evil?
It might be worth a try.
Count me in !
If they ever show up near here, I might give it a shot.
It’s a very good idea at least out of the shoot. To have people who have been given instruction on how to hold their tempers because Westboro is well versed in what they do. They don’t tell their itinarary very far in advance allowing too much planning. And the “good guys Baptists” have to have shirts that let them be different from the “Westboro Wackos” so that everybody else , i.e. other public, cops and wonderful motorcycle riders will know who to help up when we get tripped by them and pushed to the ground inadvertantly of course. This kind… Read more »
Dave, I think it’s an excellent idea. But I must admit I’ll need much more prayer because these people really make me feel angry. Perhaps it was all those years in the military standing up for their right to say those horrible things. Those of us in the Patriot Guard do much the same thing in terms of drowning them out, but Christian charity isn’t an element that we have included. We are happy just to make them insignificant. We would have to have some way to identify ourselves apart from them so that any video coverage would be able… Read more »
But , COUNT ME IN ! I can support it and wouldn’t miss it if within a reasonable distance. A Caravan sounds good. Watchout Westboro !
It’s a great idea if you ask me. It should be obvious to anybody that if you’re kind to them and treat them with respect, they are FAR more likely to be willing to conversate with you.
Thanks, Gabe, but let me make it clear. My proposal is not about somehow building bridges of understanding with Westboro, but about the most effective way of stopping them from spreading their poison.
It’s about pulling down strongholds, not about building bridges.
Worth a shot.
The Christians do that, and if someone could convince news media that these guys are old news and not even cover their presence, that would be about the end of it.
Think about: being shown love and being denied publicity? That would be a bad day for these folks.
Yeah, these folks seem to be energized by scorn.
Interesting that you brought up Marilyn Manson.
Back in the 90s, I think people began to recognize that there was a real difference between Brian Warner and the Anti-Christ Superstar. Manson’s aim was to shock and offend and make a ton of $$ in the process.
I sometimes wonder whether, at least to some extent, that’s what Shirley Roper Phelps and others are doing. They enjoy the attention, the media coverage, enjoy going to Court (what attorney wouldn’t enjoy being before the Supreme Court), etc. I suspect the “church” gets donations as well from more quiet extremists.
“They enjoy the attention, the media coverage, enjoy going to Court…”
Little doubt about that.
I’m not sure I agree that all of Brian Warner’s antics were simply cash-motivated. He did seem to be working out some bitterness against the Christianity he grew up in.
Love the whole idea. How would the churches “prove” to the media/community they are not really supporting the Westboro folks? I mean, would onlookers be confused see Christians being kind to what they lump together as simply “other Christians”? Either way, it’s a neat experiment!
Romans 12:20 “But if your enemy is hungry, feed him, and if he is thirsty, give him a drink; for in so doing you will heap burning coals upon his head” — NASB
Yep!