Baptist Press released news about an hour ago that U.S. Vice President Mike Pence will address the SBC Annual Meeting on Wednesday morning at 11am. My heart sank when I read the news.
Not because I dislike Mike Pence. He’s a good man who professes faith in Christ. I understand it would be a kind of honor to have the Vice President of the United States address the convention. A kind of honor. But not the kind we should be seeking. The focus of our meeting should be brokenness and repentance. A theology of the cross – as opposed to a theology of glory. Many have called for an extended time of prayer so that we can mourn and lament. I don’t know if that will take place or not. But does a visit from the Vice President fit that spirit? How can it? How does it send any other message than, “Look at us! The power and prestige of Southern Baptists – who have the friendship of those in our nation’s highest office!”
Now I’ve heard from several friends that the Vice President’s office called us and asked us if he could address the convention – not that we contacted him and asked him to come. I believe that fact, if true, tempers some of the concerns I have, but not all. And ultimately the SBC would be better served this year by having graciously declined to have him speak. Here’s why.
The Message It Sends
One year President Bush, another year Secretary of State Condelizza Rice addressed the SBC Annual Meeting by video. There is precedent for this. But not one that should be followed. I remember back during those times some people pushed back and said we should not have those in the president’s administration address the convention. Even though I was politically supportive of both of them (Bush & Rice) I was uneasy, but not yet convinced it was the wrong decision to allow them to speak. I was wrong.
I can’t see any way for a member of a President’s administration to address the convention without our convention being seen as supportive and politically tied. When Mike Pence enters, he’ll receive a standing ovation from a (likely vast) majority of the messengers. This will alienate those in our own family who by conviction do not or cannot support this administration. Instead of standing together in unity over the gospel, our political differences will be put on display for an extended ovation.
The Message He’ll Bring
The BP news release says that Pence will “express appreciation to Southern Baptists for the contributions we make to the moral fabric of our nation.” I’m sorry, Mr. Vice President, but that’s not the message our convention needs to hear right now. We have one former hero who’s accused of abusing children. Others, far too many, who have resigned in recent months because of sexual immorality. Claims are being lodged against some of our entities and state conventions about covering up the abuse of children. We don’t, at this moment, need to be congratulated for holding our culture’s moral compass.
The Better Message of Jesus
Jesus calls his followers to take up their cross and die to this world. Our pursuit of power and influence, whether in the real world or in our little Southern Baptist world has created a real mess for us right now. This year, maybe more than any other meeting ought to be a time of making it clear our hope of in Christ alone. Jesus turned down the kingdoms of this world – and in doing so won a great victory. I fear having Mike Pence address this year’s convention moves us in the opposite direction.
Cannot agree with you more strongly. Completely tone deaf for him to be here. Sends a horrible message to women and people of color considering who VP Pence works for and represents.
Hoping and praying he backs out or someone has the spine to disinvite him.
This looks like a disaster in the making.
Yes absolutely! This is disappointing, dismaying, depressing, discouraging and a very poor national testimony.
Totally agree. Immediate negative reaction when I read the headline. I don’t have as high an opinion of the VP as you do but even if I did, this is a bad idea. The SBC already is viewed (fairly, I think) as being in the tank for Trump, no matter what horrific things he does. This will only reinforce that perception.
Do something about it. Start a campaign for messangers to kneel (in prayer) during the national anthem, Pence’s address, the Pledge of Allegiance, and all the other forms of Civic religion (i.e. idolotry) at the meeting.
Kneel during the anthem or during the Vice Oresidemt’s address? It is our National Anthem and he is our Bice President. Kneeling would be disrespectful to both. There is a prayer room where this would be appropriate.
If you want to protest Mike Pence speaking, simply walk out as he is introduced. To kneel during the National Anthem is offensive to me. Yes, you have the right to kneel if you choose, but I defended your right when I served in the United States Marine Corps infantry. With so many ways to protest, I can’t understand why people would choose to spit in the face of those who fought for your freedom
David,
The pledge of allegiance is not idolatry. Showing disrespect is not a legitimate form of protest.
woody whitt
David thanks for having a since of humor. I know they didn’t get it but I did. Keep up the satire.
You must know David personally, because his words didn’t come across as satire, at all.
I agree. That is exactly why no political leader should ever address the SBC, whether by video or in person. The SBC is not a political convention or organization, no matter the level of support among the members. And it is hypocritical to be patriotic when one party is in power, and be critics when the other is. The SBC isn’t a venue for stumping for votes.
I attended the SBC in Atlanta when George H.W. Bush addressed the SBC back in the 90’s. It was a nightmare. The security was a major imposition, the press platform blocked off hundreds of seats. From a Christian perspective, Bush was a liberal Episcopalian who openly supported his church’s doctrine and practice that included ordaining female, gay and lesbian clergy and his wife Barbara never relented from her open pro-choice sympathies. He had just appointed a pro-choice Supreme Court justice. His speech was mostly generalities, because he couldn’t really sympathize with a conservative, Evangelical denomination, and was awkward and stumbling, but he got a sustained standing ovation from his supporters, about 55-60% of those present, while everyone else remained seated. It was an awkward moment in what was otherwise a good convention.
agree!
The fact that Vice President asked to address the SBC means that he has a political reason for wanting to speak. By accepting his request the SBC is basically endorsing the Trump administration. This is a completely tone deaf decision that puts politics front and center into convention business.
A prime example of why mixing church and state is NOT a good idea.
?! We should work together not walk together.
There is a time when church and state might work together , ie; dealing with the homeless issue. On policy and agenda NO WAY.
Who sets the agenda for the convention? Does the executive committee in Nashville setup the agenda and the list of those who are giving talks at the convention?
I am not sure of this, but I think the Order of Business is subject to being modified by the convention as a result of a motion from the floor. I believe those in the SBC should do the right thing and rescind the invitation.
Something is wrong when the agenda is changed at the last minute.
BTW, I personally have no problem with the VP. However, given that Trump’s administration is such a lightening rod I think the SBC should “stay neutral”.
Brothers and Sisters of the SBC, we must look at scripture in regards to Mike Pence and the speaking at the convention. First, if we look at his words and life he has been a doer – James 1:22-25. Secondly we look at Romans 13:7 …respect to whom respect is owed, honor to whom honor is owed. Government was and is established by God. Lastly, we look to speaking at not just a conference but in the Holy Scriptures. Daniel 4 – We have a gentile ruler (Nebuchadnezzar) who has input and gives an account in Holy Scriptures for the saints to read and hear of God’s Providential power over all pride and all governments. Could it be the VP Mike Pence may say something in that vain in regards to our God and his perspective like Daniel 4:27.
Tim, I believe you are correct on all points in regards to the Vice President. He is an honorable man who obviously loves Jesus and I am thankful to call him a brother. Personally, the only issue I have with Mike Pencw is that he should be the President.
Nevertheless, as Brent stated above, this isn’t about the Vice President. It’s about us. And the recent context of the SBC demonstrates that this is a “wrong place/wrong time” scenario.
Tim I couldn’t agree more. Let’s see what he has to say before we judge him. In the 1980’s VP Bush spoke in New Orlands and gave us an inspired message of respect and honor. Why don’t we want respect from our leaders? It’s not pride but respect from those God has ordained as leaders.
You are right.
The security theater alone is an insult to every citizen.
Please pardon my ignorance but who is the “southern baptist former hero” accused of abusing children. I must have missed this revelation.
Was wondering the same thing
Judge Pressler
Agree. Not a fan of any politician addressing the convention. Will bring a ton of media coverage and the optics in light of all that’s happened the last few months will be horrible
You know, Chris, getting saved and having your heart that filled with Christ instead of hate might help you. One who is as consumed by hate as you are should wonder if he has ever met the One who loved infinitely and eternally.
Strongly agree!
Serious logistical question: Does this mean I have to be checked out of my room super early Wednesday morning and at the convention center by 5:30 to get in line for security screening? If so that’s a hard pass for me. I prefer sleep over hearing a politician or anyone for that matter who demands security screening lines form at 5:30 a.m.
I am not a Messenger this year, just a concerned layman. Is there any chance of a parlimentary action re: the schedule for Tuesday morning? Or is it more detremental to have a tallied ballot affirming the invitation?
Short of a pre-recorded “welcome to ____” by he local governor or mayor, I am I’ll at ease with mixing the actual SBC meeting with any politician of any affiliation. The SBC meeting is an ecclesastical event, and as we are a convention of autonomous churches there is real work to be done.
If the logistics are as bad as they are warning this isn’t worth it. You cannot attend your convention to which you are a duly elected messenger because you are forced to stand in a 2 hour security line.
You are told what you can and cannot bring into the convention hall because if a political speech.
It is disruptive and destructive to our annual meeting.
Pence should speak by video.
While I agree, totally, with Brent’s article and with all comments against Pence or any political figure speaking at the convention, especially now….there is always something that puts a situation like this to rest..and that is God’s sovereignty in ALL things! If this is allowed to happen, what are the lessons God wants us to learn at such a time as this?
My wife is irate having seen the security garbage. There is no point in her being here woth our 2 kids. No water, no bags, no umbrella, no backpack. All this is no consideration for the myriads off families here.
Amen to this article. BTW I thought maybe he was coming to thank evangelicals for voting he and Trump into office. After all if not for Evangelicals and our moral fiber…
Debbie, This is a sincere question. I have read several comments on different boards where it is assumed (or at least I’ve assumed) that mostly Christians are commenting. I have read their disparagement of Trump being President and at times – as you did – of those who voted for him. In the 2016 election, who do you think was a reasonable alternative?
Pam, the answer to your question is Darrell Castle of the Constitution Party.
Pam: A reasonable alternative is none of the above. I do not believe as a Christian in voting the lesser of two evils. I see nowhere in scripture that we vote for the lesser of two evils. If someone can show me a passage …
I agree that given the never ending controversy regarding evangelical support for the current presidential administration, this isn’t a wise move. Even though I have enjoyed most of the ones who have spoken, and consider it ‘neat’ ‘cool’ ‘an honor’- it’s best to stop. I will say this though- if the ones who are upset with this move were okay (or remained quiet with their complaints) with the 2015 NAMB conference (with a higher attendance than the last decade plus of annual SBC meetings) allowing Russell Moore to extend invitations to certain candidates to a ‘forum’ ………. well, that’s called hypocrisy, folks.
I wanted to attend this year’s convention. As recently as Sunday I was still trying to figure out a way to do so. My schedule wouldn’t permit my attendance. Now I’m glad I didn’t go simply because the Convention is now going to be turned into a circus. The logistics here are crazy. All of this confusion created for a 15 minute speech which will do NOTHING to move the SBC forward in fulfilling its task. We should be about the Father’s business, not the political back slapping.
Dale: it would have been good to see you. The convention tone began wonderfully, not perfect but so much better than any in awhile. Then at 10:30pm we received news that Pence would speak the last day. Close up of my balloon deflating…the rest you have read.
Dr. O S HAWKINS once wrote the difference between the early church and the modern church is two words INFLUENCE and POWER. We want influence because we have no power.
The SBC is not a church. Nor is it the Kingdom of God. “The kingdom of God is within you” (Lk. 17:21). How is it, therefore, inappropriate for Pence to address this earthly institution?
Nothing wrong about Mike Pence speaking at SBC18. From an evangelical POV, he’s been a bright spot in the Trump admin from the start. A little discernment here would go a long way. “A theology of the cross – as opposed to a theology of glory” – I’d say Pence has already demonstrated a theology of the cross in public life.
If there are schedule constraints and impacts then those can be worked around.
As for the separation of church-n-state, that ends the moment we pray for leaders IAW God’s word (I Tim. 2).
Are you joking? Pence is ALL ABOUT a theology of glory. Pence is the epitome of theocracy, evangelical self-righteousness, and nationalism.
A theology of the cross would involve humility, grace, and compassion.
Paul: Could you provide some examples? I know Pence was excoriated for his view that he doesn’t meet alone with women, which is something people often call the “Billy Graham Rule.” That certainly sounds like a guy who has his head on straight. But maybe you’re right. I just don’t know. That said, generalizations about his character without examples makes for a seriously weak argument that sounds like a simple ad hominem attack. Would you be okay with him speaking if he were, as you put it, all about a theology of the cross involving humility, grace, and compassion?
Disagree.
Single events do not erase the foundation of the sbc and the core of our living in faith. We , as a religious organization, have held to a moral compass in this country. Individuals, in positions, have made errors, however , correction, reprimand and removal was executed. We, as an organization, continued to strive forward. Our faith in Christ is not to wallow in the misery but to walk in Christ victory
Followed by a 20+ minute campaign speech for Trump and himself.
He’s treating this like a campaign rally.
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