It’s a slow time at SBCV so…
Two debates, four hours of snippets, indignation, and the party of free stuff is back on my radar. It’s over two months until college football, so why not?
Biden; from “Uncle Joe” to “Poor Uncle Joe”; looks feeble, frankly. Come on Joe, get stirred up about something.
Michael Bennet; zzzz
Pete Buttigieg; reminds me of Marco Rubio, always composed and competent.
Kirsten Gillibrand; the incredible shrinking candidate; Madame Bromide.
Kamala Harris; Kick Butt Kamala…told ya; has a nice warm smile and is likable. How about taking a stand on health care so we know where you are? Absent catastrophe, she would be formidable. No, I’m not interested in a $30 T-shirt with your younger self on it.
John Hickenlooper; Name is the most notable thing about him. No thanks on a POTUS named “Hickenlooper.”
Bernie Sanders; reminds me of the family grouch; second acts don’t work well. Bye, Bern.
Eric Swalwell; still have no idea who this guy is.
Marianne Williamson; has a corner on the galactic goofball vote; better to stick with Oprah; what’s up with the cadaverous look? creepy. It’s TV, looks matter. Hear some Republicans are going to donate to her campaign just to keep her on the debate stage. Love and kisses, Marianne.
Andrew Yang; my guy because of the no tie look; rich guy sounding competent. He’s going to send me $1k a month, right.
Elizabeth Warren; has some gravitas and passion. I had a great uncle who looked extremely Native American but I didn’t try and use that as a foil. DNA said no.
Beto O’Rourke, teeth all clean, is a quivering mass of silliness. No chance.
Amy Klobuchar, the workplace dragon boss from Hades, presents herself well. Let’s see if she can put a dent in the better known Dems.
Comrade de Blasio. Nah. Faggetaboutit.
Castro, thought he died but the guy is smooth and informed. Too short to be prez.
Delaney, far too sensible for the Democrats.
Tulsi Gabbard, Hindu, smart but has had more policy conversions than the rest combined but will stick for a while.
Inslee, never heard of him.
Booker, specializes in outrage…yawn.
Ryan, yet another pro-abortion convert. Such backbone….
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Who will be the first dem candidate to refuse to take a “raise your hand” question? Makes them look like schoolkids.
I can’t think of a scenario where I would vote for any of these people.
If the erudite Voices readers want to eschew secular politics here…don’t read this.
I don’t understand listening to this group how anyone could support the party they represent. I understand the other party has issues but its either the republicans or them.
Harris is more mean than likeable. Have you seen her in Senate hearings? And isnt some fact checking in order? She was born in 1964 just like me. I live in SC and we integrated schools in 1969. You telling me schools in California werent integrated way before that? Jackie Robinson was playing football at UCLA in the 1940’s
While desegregation was ordered before – the actual Forced bussing she was talking about took place into the late 70’s – even in Cali….
In NC i remember being bussed across town as well… of course, I’m white. Forced bussing was difficult on everyone during that time.
Yes, but California desegregated in either the late 50’s or early 60’s. I know the high schools were prior to her birth in 1964. She also grew up in a fairly affluent family. They moved to Canada when she was 8 or 9.
That said, Biden looks like toast. He has too long of a record to exist in this Democratic Party. Which of Booker or Harris goes to Anita Hill? Lord help him if they bring in quotes from his eulogy of Strom Thurmond. How many more women now come out of the woodwork about is creepiness? Harris and Bernie have now said they’d favor forced busing now. What if he gets asked that? The radical left wants a socialist candidate, they are going to take him out
Here is the statement from the Berkeley Public Schools contained in this article. Your accusations are incorrect.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/heavy.com/news/2019/06/kamala-harris-bused-berkeley-busing/amp/
I knew the High Schools were, didnt know it was later for elementary. Hard to believe California and SC didnt integrate elementary school until the same year, but Cali was clearly a different state then.
It’s cool. I had to double check myself. Heck I check everything these days. So easy to hear a quote and then start using it and it turns out to be false or only half true.
Frustrating.
And yes California was way different.
My freedom of choice is choosing not to watch debates. The news coverage is interesting, though; it’s unusually hesitant and subdued. They don’t know who is the purely ‘correct’ choice yet.
Yes the constitution gives you the Freedom of that choice just as it gives us the freedom not to vote when we can’t support either candidate.
What a liberating feeling when we can exercise this right and still have the freedom to express our opinion.
Debate?? Thanks for the correction William T…I thought it was a dog and pony show:-)
I’m curious….Are political comments allowed on this political article?
Why not?
Castro can’t be too informed if he thinks people born biologically male can have abortions, which he supports them being allowed to have.
Yeah, I looked at my husband when he said that and was like, I don’t think that’s how it works… But I get all the trans terminology wrong all the time. I do give him credit for how I saw him handle being called out on it online. He expressed regret for the mistake and thanked them for patience in correcting him. So I don’t think that’s actually going to hurt him at all.
If I had to choose a Dem, I would go with Biden, but man, he looks old. Yang and Buttigieg both speak in complete sentences, which I appreciate.
William, I understand you are underwhelmed with the Democrats (of course, as a Southern evangelical). But I cannot see any better in the Republican camp. What have they done to impress you?
When I took Economics 101 in college, the professor walked into class the first day and declared, “There is no such thing as a free lunch.” Of course, he meant that while the lunch may be free to you, it cost somebody. This crop of Democrat candidates, with the exception of Joe Biden, are trying to outdo each other in offering free stuff–free health care, free college educaton, free daycare, etc. They are quite vague as to how all these programs will be funded.
Gerry: unemployment record low, consumer confidence greatly increased, markets near records, SCOTUS nominations. I didn’t vote for trump. Haven’t decided about 2020. With any of the current dems, it will be tough not to vote against them. Didn’t think there could be a less appealing candidate than Hil… I was wrong.
William, those items you mentioned, while impressive, at first glance, but pale once we examine the trajectory from 2008 up to 2016. I wonder where we would be had the current occupant of the White House had been the one elected in 2008???
Gerry Milligan
The record unemployment rate doesn’t pale to those who have jobs. We play this game: Obama blames Bush, Trump opponents credit Obama. I understand the game.
William, I agree that a 3.6% unemployment rate is very good, especially for those with jobs. But, do not discount that it was 9% in early 2009 and went down to 4.7 % in the fall of 2016. I do not see this as anything more than a continuing decrease that started in 2008. I will give credit to the guy sitting in the oval office that the trajectory continued on his watch.
Gerry Milligan
The Dems best friend is a recession. Probably a prayer request
10-40 or anyone else, if HRC were elected do you think the economy would be doing so well? Really , it will never be known but doubtful it would be this good. How about ISIS, President Obama predicted they would be there for years with territory, how about Johnson Amendment, limiting abortion funding, conservatives on SC, how about any attempt to enforce immigration laws passed by Congress. Of course we will never know but after the crazy Democrat debate there is no near middle of the road Democrat running for President. The closest Is Joe Biden and he is no prize nor very capable as evidenced by the debate. However if you are a progressive it is just a matter of time as demographics and the changing culture usher in a far left President in the next 3 or 4 election cycles. We will see if a nation founded on Christian values can sustain without those values. To save time, I know the USA is not a Christian nation by law but it was built and sustained historically adhering to Christian teachings or to put it another way, a nation of individual Christians, We are in the twilight of that period of time.
“A nation of individual Christians” is the best phrase I’ve /ever/ seen to sidestep the (almost) inevitable argument about the Founding Fathers.
*Definitely* keep using it. I hope it spreads! 😀
Biden is his own worst enemy with his verbal gaffes. He doesn’t have an army of acolytes spinning every idiotic thing he says into something remotely plausible to be believed by his base.
Did y’all catch where the “moderator” from Univision stated in his question… “This administration has deported thousands of *Americans*…“
Um…. I don’t think even Donald Trump would attempt to *deport* Americans.
Is that even technically possible?
Seriously, after these debates how can any American citizen with any common sense or economic sense of reality consider voting for any Democrat? Health care for illegal aliens and no desire to stop the flow of illegal aliens into this country, are they serious? All Trump has to do is stay quiet but we know that is impossible.
“I don’t think even Donald Trump would attempt to *deport* Americans.”
Seriously? The man who only avoided obstruction of justice because his subordinates disobeyed him? I think he would absolutely attempt it.
He’s already attempted it. There was a commission set up about a year ago with the purpose of stripping the citizenship of “suspicious” naturalized citizenships….but he was perfectly fine dating and marrying a woman who entered the US illegally.
I don’t think that last part has been proven.
I also wonder what the other media/progressive reaction would be if FOX news had Hannity or Tucker Carlson as a “journalist moderator” of a Republican debate?
Seems to me that NBC Having Maddow on that stage is the same thing.
No fan of Maddow, but I think the difference might be that as far as i know, Maddow is not a mewling sycophant for any one particular candidate, at least not at this point. The same cannot be said for Hannity or Carlson (or Pirro or Fox & Friends, et al). But I agree she shouldn’t be there.
Guess you didnt watch her cry on air when Hillary lost
Seriously are we still talking about Clinton? Clinton is not a candidate.
Maddow is the definition of a liberal sycophant as you put it. There are more than 20 candidates as of now, few media hacks have chosen sides as of yet. The conservative media wasn’t all Trump in July of 2015. When the competition narrows, they’ll be fawning over whoever they consider the best competition for Trump
Right. As I mentioned above… Maddow is the liberal version of Hannity… She is a absolute Partisan hack… And in no way a journalist.
As my grandfather used to say “I wouldn’t turn around for the difference.” Between she and Hannity or she and Carlson.
I guess that even after William giving a “green light” to political comments; my comment was too controversial. Strange
Gerry Milligan
No. It’s a corrosive waste of time to import all the ihatetrump tripe in a topic on the 20 dems running for president. I recognize the game you want to bring here from the other place. There are some trump sycophants whose comments are not welcome here either.
Quite a number of editors and frequent commenters here didn’t vote for trump in 2016. Because of the extremism of all the dem candidates, some of these will vote trump in 2020.
I think because Trump is so unpopular, the Dems think that this is their best chance to win with a far left candidate. If we had a more normal Republican in there right now, I don’t think the Dem field would be quite so left-heavy. We are facing the same lose/lose scenario we had in 2016.
Moderate Dems are being shamed in to silence. They are openly opposing the few pro-life people they have left in Congress. Their base will simply not accept anyone who does not tow their line. Biden, who I guess could have been considered a moderate in this field, is openly going hard left because he knows that’s his only chance at the nomination. There is no return from that once the general election arrives. The is Bernie Sanders party now, at least as far as ideas are concerned, even if he isnt the nominee
Yep, Jeff.
And as for those who would blame Trump for the “left heavy” Democrat POTUS candidates for 2020 should be reminded that absent the mortally wounded (but not yet at the time dead) Democrat power structure literally robbing Bernie Sanders of the nomination in 2016… He would have been the nominee… The Jettisoning of anyone not socialist/marxist from the Democrat party has been working toward fruition before long Trump.
The Joe Lieberman’s of the Democrat party are long since dead… Ideologically anyway.
Yes, but thanks to Trump, they have a shot at the big chair. Bernie Sanders used to be a joke. But Trump also used to be a joke. The Dems are saying “if the right can elect theirs, why can’t we elect ours?”
Barring an economic collapse or a major foreign flair up, a radical leftist candidate doesn’t have a prayer. The things they are currently espousing are so out of sync with everyone except those in deep blue states they simply wont play. Those first two debates provided more campaign fodder than Trump could have dreamed of, and there are 11 more to go. Polls for the general election are about as meaningless as it gets at this point. You’re looking at 1972 all over again
No one thought a reality TV vice-peddler had a prayer either. Since 2016 the rules are different.
William,
There is still a lot of time before the DNC makes their choice. At the moment a Biden/Harris ticket would be the best bet. Biden can fire up what is left of the FDR groupies and Harris can tap into the progressive millennials. It will be interesting to see which way the ERLC will go this time around.
woody
I’m not sure Biden and Harris ticket will work… mainly because of pride and raw ambition – of course – Joe has been there and done that as VP so he’d have to be the POTUS candidate – and Kamala, I am betting, will not take second chair to anyone.
I have predicted that barring some sort calamity… The democrat/socialist party ticket is most likely going to be Harris for POTUS and Buttigeig for VP.
Its a Democrat party/socialist/intersectionality dream ticket.
Such a ticket hits all the right (for the democrat/socialist anyway) “hot buttons” and hits them dead on.
When a party feels like their political ideology is in the ascendency, there is no reason to be pragmatic or centrist. Only those long out of power are willing to compromise to win. The progressives are emboldened by Trump’s weakness and ,in their arrogance, it seems they are likely to overreach. Nominating someone far out of the mainstream is a recipe for disaster. Obama showed that the modern presidential election is won, not by attracting soccer moms from the middle, but by getting your hard core supporters to the polls. Democrats have to turn out a big vote in the black community to win and neither Bernie nor Warren resonate there. Most of the rest of the dems don’t either. Beto O’Rourke polled at ZERO in SC, a democratic party dominated by African American voters.
Winning the presidency of our vast and diverse nation is a far cry from generating enthusiasm among privileged, white, liberal college students.
We like fresh faces with new messages and short histories. Clinton, Bush, Obama and Trump all filled the bill. Bush the Senior was the last “highly qualified” president and he could not win a second term.
Our last election was a test between the odious and the despicable. It does not seem we will do any better this time around.