A student at Liberty, one with both an active mind and some time on his hands, sent me these, and they humored me. The Baptist blogosphere has been pretty serious recently, so here’s a couple of perspectives on “The Kerfuffle” (Driscoll’s term for the controversy over his appearance at Liberty tomorrow).
Also, I am told that Mitt Romney will be the commencement speaker at Liberty this year, an action that will surprise only clueless people oblivious to Liberty’s political stands.
He said that the Romney appearance was likely to be “Kerfuffle 2”, and sent me these posters in preparation.
Wow. Think I’ll skip Liberty for the PhD. Mostly cause I can’t afford it (that’s almost entirely it) but a Mormon? I thought the thought Driscolls stance on sex was bad!
Its funny to see people throw a hissy fit over different views on charismatic issues and sex, but they barely say anything on differences of Trinity, salvation, etc.
Agreed.
The Trinity is no longer a primary doctrine for many Southern Baptists. Doctrinal anemia.
Matt, well, I don’t know nothin’ ’bout the differences some folks have about the Trinity and salvation, etc. But I can sure tell you young whipper-snappers a couple of things about the aforementioned issues. 🙂 I been garblin’ my words since I was a bit younger than dirt. And I’ve been hoppin and a jumpin’ in the pews long before Charismatic was cool. And well…that other subject, is a bit “beyond my discomfort” zone to get “beneath the sheets” about. If ya know what I mean…:) I do happened to know a few things about “hissy fits” though. Have a few granddaughters teaching me that all the time. selahv
I’m gonna get moderated huh.
Personally, I’m making a commitment to use the word “kerfuffle” as often as I can.
I’ve used it several times the last few days. It has been a joy. 🙂
So long as the decision to use the word kerfuffle does not lead to its own kerfuffle. Because I think we are all kerfuffled out.
Smusch, are you trying to start a kerfuffle?
Kerfuffle…no…
A foofaraw…YES!!!
I prefer broohahah’s
I would like it better if it was spelled kerfluffle. I think it’s because I think a kerfuffle is kind of like fluffing pillows. But mostly because I mispronounced it the first time I read it and have been stuck with the mispronunciation ever since.
It was my word of the month a few months ago. This post is so last year. 😉
Didn’t Liberty have Glen Beck a few years back as well? This doesn’t surprise me. I wonder if the SBC blogsphere will be up in arms again.
I was going to make a media firestorm with Glen Beck’s book. I figure if that guy in Florida got all that press by threatening to burn the Koran, burning Beck’s book would do something. But alas, I was too cheap to buy the books.
If you ask around, someone in the media might be willing to buy you a copy of the book for you to burn and then cover the event for you too.
What is the difference between a kerfuffle and a brouhaha, and are they better baked or fried?
Imagine the kerfuffle and/or brouhaha if it is revealed that those of the “reformed” theological type favor one side over the other. Would that indicate a kerfuffle (or brouhaha) takeover of the SBC?
Maybe a brouhaha is something with alcohol and a kerfuffle is non-alcoholic.
That would be “brew-haha.”
URBAN DICTIONARY says the spelling is ‘Kerfluffle ‘
Verb: To rile up, confuse, or anger a cat (especially kittens) into fluffing up. Sometimes results in a cat spazzing out and running around the residence.
The cat was so kerfluffled you could hardly see its legs under all the fur.
I prefer the term dust-up.
Kerfuffle, brouhaha, dust-up – there are so many good words.
I’m afraid that posts like this bring out the worst (or best) in the Voices community.
My only real critique of the movie posters is that he should have Photoshopped some faces in as well. That would have been a supercalifragilisticexpialidocious effort.
Other “movie” titles…
Lord of the Rings: The Two Kerfuffles
Star Wars: Episode Two: Attack of the Kerfuffles
(or for the TRUE sequel)
Star Wars: The Kerfuffle Strikes Back
Star Trek 2: Wrath of Kerfuffle
Kerfuffle’s 12
Harry Potter and the Chamber of Kerfuffles
Grumpier Old Kerfuffles
The Borne Kerfuffle
The Dark Kerfuffle
I will forward these suggestions.
I can’t believe you posted these ungodly movie posters on this site! Why don’t you just post Harry Potter while you’re at it? Heretic.
No true Christian would have anything to do with Harry Potter.
Oh, and….Avada Kedavra!
Was that wrong?
Actually, I dont think anyone involved would use the Avada Kedavra. If anything, the “Reformed” takeover types are using the Imperius Curse on a few SBC folk, forcing them to start Kerfuffles.
Brilliant.
That’s funny right there
I knew you was an evil warlock. A certain blogger was right bout u!
The word kerfuffle makes me hungry. It sounds like it should be some kind of food, kind of like souffle or something. And if it shows up in Star Trek 2: Wrath of Kerfuffle, I suppose it would be served cold.
For the record, me and a few unnamed bloggers will be driving to the Liberty graduation this year, not to watch, but to protest. I’m thinking of joining with some staunch heretics because the enemy of my enemy is my friend.
Whatever you do, don’t cause a kerfuffle.
We wouldn’t you to end up on an certain unsavory blog for praise or rebuke.
I consider the lightheartedness directed toward all those who challenge the status quo in Christian community of faith for their lack of discernment as merely a “kerfuffle” less than amusing. In fact, if this is meant to “amuse” we might evaluate what a-muse means. “A” is “not” and “Muse” is “to think”. When we treat admonishment and exhortations as amusing, we are simply “not thinking”. That said, I defer to John MacArthur on the involvement of Christians in societal and cultural problems today such as speakers for a Christian school:
It’s disheartening to see the amusements of Christians fall on the lines of that which other Christians find in opposition to the Gospel message.
Hariette, based on your recent blog post, and this comment, you seem to be an expert on what Christians can and cannot discuss, even though you get onto pastors for discussing subjects they’re not experts on. Have you applied the argument you made against Stetzer and others to yourself in that you’re not an expert on what Christians can and cannot discuss? So, now we can only joke about things you deem are appropriate?
Also, this statement, “It’s disheartening to see the amusements of Christians fall on the lines of that which other Christians find in opposition to the Gospel message” isn’t always practiced by you.
So, you’ve never joked about something other Christians think is in opposition to the gospel message? I don’t think your comments on blogs can prove this statement. For example, Dave deleted one of your comments on this blog for being unChristlike (in opposition to the outworkings of the gospel message, in his opinion), and you made fun of this decision incessantly and encouraged others to do the same.
I think you’re being inconsistent Hariette. I’m not an expert on this subject though.
Inconsistency abounds.
I remember getting an email from one blogger years ago chastising me for lighthearted comments about a controversy. Interesting that just a day or two before, he had been yukking it up with his friends making fun of another situation. So often, we find humor we agree with funny, and that with which we disagree we find offensive.
Dave and Jared Moore,
You are right. Inconsistency abounds.
But please don’t take this lady to task today. Her perspective about what is happening at LU is shared by many solid follower of Christ, SelahV being one of those.
Jared Moore, you have seemingly a quick trigger to to drop the hammer on women who frequent this blog. Maybe you should check your motive.
SelahV,
Dear lady this post is just a lark. It is nothing more than humor. It has been a long week in the SBC, the Homeland for many of us here, Dave included. I assure you this post is nothing more than some well needed light-heartedness in this little community of bloggers. Nothing more, nothing less.
SelahV, read the thread and the post. It really is funny and no one is degrading women here. Just think about it. I love your passion and grit. Stay the course.
CB, I’m an egalitarian commenter. Whether someone is male or female, if they’re making an inconsistent argument, I’m going to point it out. I hope others, whether male or female, will do the same for me.
Let’s have a truce today Jared Moore.
Leave SelahV alone today. How about it? Cut her some slack. OK?
CB,
Thanks brother. I really wanted to say something like this, but the words weren’t there for me. Well said.
CB, I don’t get you. Hariette didn’t cut Stetzer, Driscoll, or Akin any slack in her recent article at SBC Encounters. I don’t understand why you arbitrarily expect her to be treated differently than she’s treated other believers. My comment was very tame compared to her rebuke of Stetzer, Driscoll, and Akin. Go read her article.
Jared Moore,
I read everything she writes. I read everything you write.
Jared Moore, I think highly of Danny Akin. He is the president of SEBTS, the Homeland for me. I don’t care for it much when folks pile on him or Nathan Finn either for that matter.
I count Ed Stetzer as somewhat of a friend. I think his work is very needful for Southern Baptists. I kinda feel that those who hammer on him do not understand his value and his contribution to us as Southern Baptists and who we are and what we seek to accomplish in the Kingdom.
I think Mark Driscoll preached the gospel. Yet, I know he has preached it no more bold that have many others before him and YouTube.
Yet, I do believe he has gone off the reservation. He has gone astray as have many before him and as will some after him.
I think to defend him is a mistake and will be greatly evidenced in the future unless he comes back to reality. I think LU and the Falwell brothers are wrong to invite him to speak. I think their daddy would whip their butts if he were alive. I think the trustees did exactly what Peter has reported them to have done.
I also think Peter is wrong sometimes and I really get irritated with him (and he knows it) when he goes after SEBTS, Akin, and Finn and yes, when he hits Stetzer, I don’t care for that much either.
But I do count Peter Lumpkins as a friend. He is a good man and committed to Jesus with great passion.
Jared Moore, I don’t have anything against you. I do think you are yet to be seasoned and real brokenness is in your future. That will be a good thing, my brother, as it is for us all who carry the cross of Jesus.
So there you have it. Now, I am asking you to give SelahV a pass today. She needs it.
This is a very light-hearted post and no evil is intended in this post or the comments. I have enjoyed the creative thinking. I think it is funny. I hope it stays that way today.
So make a funny comment Jared Moore. I need one. OK?
CB, you are such a peacemaker. 🙂 I love you, and appreciate every single word you say. Every single word. You crack me up. Even when I want to scream. You remind me of my son when I was mad at him for something. He’d come in and give me a huge bear hug and say, “c’mon, now momma, you know you don’t wanna be mad at me.” And I would try my best not to laugh…but he wouldn’t let go till I did. Never crushed my hip, though. 🙂
Praying God uses you mightily, my friend. I can always count on you when you are around to clean the tables in the temple. 🙂 With Jared, there is no slack. Only resistance and pull. Everyone has his number. selahV
Huh SelahV, it is just a Kerfluffle I guess. Think nothing of it. 🙂
Jared, good morning. I read the whole post. and to be sure, you might want to check Dave’s emails as to the reason he stated that my comment was deleted (at least what he stated to me). So…that said. I only did at my blog, what Ed Stetzer said to do. I went back and shared what I saw as an inconsistency and a direct oppression of a voice dissenting any interest, in Acts29 Network and the SBC. Amazing what one tiny deleted comment can do to further the debate on what more than likely would have become a buried comment in the streams of intelligent thoughts. What you meant unto …well, you know…God has a sense of humor, too.
Also, as to what I am writing about on my blog, is most germane to the comment I made which is germane to the topic in discussion. Mark Driscoll himself called this a “kerfuffle”. Dave has an uncanny ability to turn a serious subject into a kerfuffle. That’s all I am saying in my posts today.
I do appreciate the shout out for folks to come read my post regarding Dr. Stetzer’s exhortation for us to “grow up, stop pretending, and be honest” with matters of “critical” need to discuss. I especially appreciate him telling me to “move beyond our discomfort”. For years I have allowed myself the privilege of wallowing in comfort of God’s grace and resting peacefully by His still waters of love. And now, it seems He is leading be through the valleys of the shadow of death, but no fear. He is with me. Every single step of the way.
Now, back to your “kerfuffling” fellas. I am just beginning to really get the hang of all this male jargon and humor. My four brothers and five male cousins never seemed to knock it into my feminine brain as I was growing up. I have learned, here, though…that only women are snarky…the men are just…well, something else…having fun, makin’ sport…punchin’ each other in the shoulder. I’m done, I’ll head on back to my “knitting”. I have a few cobwebs to clear out. Have a great weekend, Jared. May God annoint your words with His Holly Spirit and pour out His blessings in abundance upon His people through you. selahV
Look, a blogger blogs according to his personality. God called me to preach, so I preach. But if I didn’t preach, there were two paths that appealed to me. I’d have really loved to be a trial lawyer – arguing for a living. Perhaps that desire informs some of my blogging.
The other thing I would have loved to try my hand at is being a stand-up comedian. I have emceed several banquets and other events and have done some observational humor. Obviously, that also informs my blogging.
So, here it is. I like to laugh. You can psychoanalyze that and you can condemn it. But it is who I am.
I try not to use my humor to argue my points. When I do a humor piece, it is meant to be a humor piece. I think it is unethical and underhanded to make fun of someone else by humor. It’s passive aggressive and not funny.
I do not do it. Some have wrongly interpreted “hidden messages” in my humor posts. They were wrong. I try not to use humor passive aggressively to cut someone else down.
But, if you don’t like humor-related posts, don’t read mine. If you don’t like them, there are several other posts on which you can comment. This is who I am. I have not sensed any conviction from God or from God’s Word that humor is sinful and that I shouldn’t use it.
I use humor when I preach. I use humor when I blog. I am going to continue to do so.
Anyone who doesn’t like that is welcome not to read my posts.
But there is one thing I can say – this discussion is over. Any more comments on this comment-stream in this little, well, kerfuffle about kerfuffles, will be deleted.
And, on that I am most certainly NOT kidding.
Dave, Now THAT was funny! 🙂 Seriously, though. Way back when, before all these kerfuffles began poppin’ up in blogland, I found a lot of humor in what you had to say. I’m trying to get to know the new and improved dave, if you will. Forgive my intrusion of seriousness into your humorous post, please. I tend to take a lot of things more seriously than I should these days. I think I’ve been reading too much of John MacArthur and The Vanishing Conscience. Or it may be the comment streams of mercy I find on so many blogposts. 🙂 Then again, it could be because The Rangers whooped up on the Red Sox the other night. Just don’t know what my problem is. Maybe I need a “chill pill”…I will work on being funnier. I forgot to check the tags to see if it was a humor post. I hope you have a wonderful, blessed weekend.
And yes, I do recall you telling me if I didn’t like a post I had the “freedom to not comment”. I just keep coming back to see if I have the freedom to comment. ya know? 🙂 selahV
I keep wondering about mixing those two alternate careers. I suppose we already have stand-up lawyers, but I can’t help but think that a few trial comedians wouldn’t do some good.
Sixth Sense II: “I see kerfuffles”.
Well said by Bob “Willis” Cleveland. 😉
That is brilliant, Bob.
Hmm…So this thread joking about kerfuffles, actually leads to a kerfuffle as it makes light of the original kerfuffle. Man…I am getting kerfuffled out.
We can only joke for so long around here. Would you like a nice souffle?
LOL, That’s a true Kerfuffles there, Smuschany. Well done!
Jared,
I will go there if you want me to and then Dave can firebomb the comment if he wants to. The deleted comment that raised such a stir cannot be called “unChristlike” in my opinion. I don’t remember Dave stating that as the reason it was deleted. It was deleted for other reasons. I don’t want to rehash that whole kerfuffle, but I am not going to let that accusation stand. They pushed back on Dave for perceived inconsistencies in moderation behavior. They have that prerogative. Moderation is a pain and it is bound to make people mad. It is better to drop it instead of continuing to bring it up again and again.
CB’s response to SelahV was far more gracious in tone and communicates the point much better. It would be a good example to take and learn from. Frankly, I am wondering where it came from myself 🙂
This thread was designed for a little steam blowing. I don’t like Driscoll particularly much and as a Liberty online grad I am annoyed that they invited him to the campus. They keep asking me for money as a graduate and I can assure you that they aren’t getting any from me anytime soon (and not just because I don’t have any to send them). I still tried to have a little fun here.
If you want to take Harriette to task for her post on Akin and Stetzer and Driscoll, do it in the comments at her blog, not here. I assure you she will be happy to discuss it with you over there.
Jeff, Thank you kind sir. May God pour out his abundant blessings of grace upon you today. As for:
It came from CB’s heart. He does have one, you know. a very very big one. selahV
I know he does. That’s why I added the smiley face afterward (that and to tweak Dave just a bit). CB kind of reminds me of one of the pastors I know here in the Dakotas. When I first met the guy, he scared the willies out of me. Now that I have gotten to know him, I love the guy wholeheartedly.
Jeff Musgrave,
Thanks for the step-in. I appreciate it.
It’s the least I could do after you had to suffer the embarrassment of a broken championship trophy in Sabanation this week.
That did stink didn’t it? How on earth can guys who got scholarships for catching footballs drop a $30, 000.00 imitation?
Kerfluffle maybe?
I read today that it was the father of the long-snapper who was last to touch it. It was on ESPN.com.
I think it was divine justice.
The whole team went to visit the President this past Thursday. They gave him a jersey and a helmet. Safe I guess. It is pretty hard to drop and break a helmet. And BAMA jerseys never hit the ground anyway. 🙂
Maybe I should say a BAMA jersey has never been “dropped” to the earth by a Harvard grad. Such a Kerfluffle is a physical impossibility.
Jeff, That claim is original with her, not me.
I’m fine with letting this drop though.
Who knew the kerfluffle would start such a brouhaha.
That’s funny.
Only in Southern Baptist life can such kerfluffles cause such a brouhaha. And you are right Jared Moore. Dan Barnes can say funny things and kerfluffle things also.
Move on, folks. Nothing to see here.
Jeff, I did my best to follow what Dr. Stetzer said to do. but those pesky things kept popping up in my mailbox, one right after the other. 🙂 what can I say? just another one of the “kerfuffles” of life, I suppose.
selahV
Because I disagree with Mark Driscoll about almost everything, let me say that this really wasn’t a kerfuffle at all. It was more of a fracas.
It seemed to me to be more of a melee.
Hi Rick, I’m just praying for him, now. Constantly. And for those he is influencing with this little “kerfuffle” as he puts it. selahV
Hi Harriette,
You’re right. No sense piling on. We need to pray for him.
With just a hint of imbroglio.